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Kowtowing to Trump

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Barleyfields Fri 28-Feb-25 09:26:04

The proof of the pudding lies in the eating.

Wyllow3 Fri 28-Feb-25 09:24:45

Casdon

People who are criticising Starmer on this thread are out of line with the media perception of the visit. Even Beth Rigby on Sky, who is as anti Starmer as a political commentator can be, has choked on her coffee and acknowledged he did well.
Hey Ho, I expected no less.

Every single headline in fact was a "did well"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99nnkgk3g9o

Casdon Fri 28-Feb-25 09:23:24

Barleyfields

Of course Trump wanted his State visit. He’s a shallow narcissist. We knew an invitation would be forthcoming so there’s no brownie points for Starmer in that. It remains to be seen how Trump will treat the UK after he’s had his ego stroked with pomp and pageantry. He wouldn’t queer his pitch before that. I wouldn’t trust him an inch.

Surely only a fool would trust Trump Barleyfields. It was no surprise that he even denied he had called Zelensky a dictator - and that was only a week ago.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 28-Feb-25 09:22:32

Barleyfields you have hit the nail firmly on its head!

GrannyGravy13 Fri 28-Feb-25 09:21:49

Posted to soon…

I do not wish to see this Labour government mess up, as if it does the U.K. will fail as will the majority of its citizens.

Barleyfields Fri 28-Feb-25 09:21:46

Of course Trump wanted his State visit. He’s a shallow narcissist. We knew an invitation would be forthcoming so there’s no brownie points for Starmer in that. It remains to be seen how Trump will treat the UK after he’s had his ego stroked with pomp and pageantry. He wouldn’t queer his pitch before that. I wouldn’t trust him an inch.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 28-Feb-25 09:19:51

Wyllow3 I totally understand that we have to work with other leaders/governments with different views to ourselves.

So far the PM seems to have avoided tariffs which the USA is throwing out like poisoned sweeties.

With that in mind maybe when in opposition our MP’s should remember this, when making the most derogatory remarks about other leaders.

A fair few of the current front bench of the Labour Party have in the past made public their opinions on POTUS Trump and these are being used against them in the media, along with being brought up in any interviews undertaken by them.

Maggiemaybe Fri 28-Feb-25 09:19:00

In world diplomacy you’ve to play the hand you’ve got. And Starmer played his cards very well imo. With any luck Trump is still in a good mood and President Zelensky’s day’s been made just a little bit easier. I’m sure KS had to take a very long shower afterwards.

I’d love to have been a fly on the wall when Starmer suggested the state visit to the King. Also, when Camilla got to hear about it.

Casdon Fri 28-Feb-25 09:18:17

People who are criticising Starmer on this thread are out of line with the media perception of the visit. Even Beth Rigby on Sky, who is as anti Starmer as a political commentator can be, has choked on her coffee and acknowledged he did well.
Hey Ho, I expected no less.

J52 Fri 28-Feb-25 09:15:52

Wyllow3

You can never please people! If Starmer had messed up - and that wouldn't be hard with Trump - I can just imagine the criticism doled out on here.

It's called diplomacy folks. Relations established. He made his point on US back up re Ukraine, Gaza 2 state solution, tariff discussions. How much impact re Ukraine, we can't know.

As far as I'm concerned its so far so good.

Perhaps a critic would like to say what Starmer should have one instead? I

I agree, quite frankly he should be praised for being able to be that diplomatic. I doubt if many others could be. I certainly couldn’t. Poor Charles having to host Trump, chalk and cheese personalities.

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 28-Feb-25 09:12:22

We have to work with the odious Mr Trump- until he's ousted by his " subjects".
Here's hoping...

Wyllow3 Fri 28-Feb-25 09:11:45

Should have done

Wyllow3 Fri 28-Feb-25 09:11:20

You can never please people! If Starmer had messed up - and that wouldn't be hard with Trump - I can just imagine the criticism doled out on here.

It's called diplomacy folks. Relations established. He made his point on US back up re Ukraine, Gaza 2 state solution, tariff discussions. How much impact re Ukraine, we can't know.

As far as I'm concerned its so far so good.

Perhaps a critic would like to say what Starmer should have one instead? I

GrannyGravy13 Fri 28-Feb-25 09:07:57

This is a quote from Keir Starmer after Boris Johnson met him during POTUS Trump’s last term

An endorsement from Donald Trump tells you everything you need to know about what is wrong with Boris Johnson’s politics and why he isn’t fit to be Prime Minister

eazybee Fri 28-Feb-25 08:55:13

Britain had to pay back American aid during the Second World War I believe.
I agree about the sickening smarming display from Starmer to Trump. The cut in foreign aid was calculated to boost his ratings before he abased himself in America.

NotSpaghetti Fri 28-Feb-25 08:54:14

I just hope Starmer has helped smooth the way a little for Zelenskyy today.
🤞

madeleine45 Fri 28-Feb-25 08:24:11

How cringemaking to see Starmer having to smarm up to Trump. He has earned his money for sure. When foreign policy is decided by what you can give a selfcentred misogynist, who acts like a two year old in a temper tantrum. Still Starmer had the best toy. He could wave an invitation to see the king. Trump couldnt miss that chance could he?

As for "helping" other countries, since when does it count as help if you are then asked to pay for it with anything this greedy lot think they should have.?

Excuse me while I go and be sick.