Trump/Zelensky interview in the White House

I think, to witness the grovelling downfall of Zelensky signing a document which gave no protection against Russia and proved to the world that Trump can deliver to Russia as pre-agreed.

It didn't work out that way: whatever the Russians have said, it wasn't really what Trump wanted, which is why they are so cross and even more dramatic now.

Rula

Russian reporter must have snuck in. They were ejected.

I understand that the Russian reporter was only ejected after the piece of theatre that Trump & Vance had arranged.

Trump on Truth Social - "We should spend less time worrying about Putin, and more time worrying about migrant rape gangs, drug lords, murderers, and people from mental institutions entering our Country - So that we don’t end up like Europe!"

Trump in reality - allows Tate brothers to enter the USA.

Parsley3

Is this the deal that Trump has made with Putin? Destroy Zelensky and end the war so Putin can move in unopposed.

That sounds quite likely.

How can you say that? Trump and Vance were incredibly rude!

I'm now old enough to be shocked by bad manners!

I was so glad to see the European leaders greeting Zelenskyy so warmly at the start of the summit! If I was Ukrainian I'd be worried sick by Trump's attitude as displayed yesterday.

Totally agree. How could anyone enjoy such an embarrassing and horrible scene?!

But PamQS hasn’t Trump set up a scenario where Europe and Uk can fill the gap left in funding and support when USA opts out?
So there’s a moral dimension to this negotiation in that Trump doesn’t wish to see Ukraine obliterated and handed to Russia without any terms. It’s upto us now to plough our resources into this and after all, 3 years is quite a long time and Trump may wish to use his resources in a different geo political dimension to benefit his own country first. Why not say enough is enough?

Why not say enough is enough?

Fine but DON'T treat people like he and Vance treated Zilensky. Bleating about respect when he wasn't wearing
a suit whilst refusing to let him speak, making no allowance for
language and refusing to listen when
Zilensky quite rightly pointed out the usual inaccuracies in Trumps
Nareative! Whatever Trump wants, I don't think his behaviour and modus
operandi is necessary to achieve his
goals!

^But PamQS hasn’t Trump set up a scenario where Europe and Uk can fill the gap left in funding and support when USA opts out?
So there’s a moral dimension to this negotiation in that Trump doesn’t wish to see Ukraine obliterated and handed to Russia without any terms.^

Has he said he will do the 1st paragraph in a timely fashion?

And are you quite sure about the 2nd paragraph?

What a really nasty man Vance is. Bad as Trump is he's even worse. Awful to think that if anything happened to Trump he would be President

mum2three

I thoroughly enjoyed the scene. Trump speaks his mind...no pussyfooting about with this man. How refreshing after Biden and Obama....sucking up and appeasing.

Trump is appeasing Putin. Putin the aggressor who invaded Ukraine.

ronib

But PamQS hasn’t Trump set up a scenario where Europe and Uk can fill the gap left in funding and support when USA opts out?
So there’s a moral dimension to this negotiation in that Trump doesn’t wish to see Ukraine obliterated and handed to Russia without any terms. It’s upto us now to plough our resources into this and after all, 3 years is quite a long time and Trump may wish to use his resources in a different geo political dimension to benefit his own country first. Why not say enough is enough?

If that were the case, he would have just said so and negotiated with Europe to that end. Mining resources are not in any way protective terms. Morally he doesnt give a d***.

fancythat

^But PamQS hasn’t Trump set up a scenario where Europe and Uk can fill the gap left in funding and support when USA opts out?
So there’s a moral dimension to this negotiation in that Trump doesn’t wish to see Ukraine obliterated and handed to Russia without any terms.^

Has he said he will do the 1st paragraph in a timely fashion?

And are you quite sure about the 2nd paragraph?

Didn’t Starmer spend yesterday whipping up financial and military support from the EU so enabling Trump to dump Ukraine? That’s good cooperation between Starmer and Trump for sure.
Trump always has the option of playing along with Russia against China. It could be worse.

I can't understand how Trump can repeatedly rile himself up and not have a stroke or heart attack. You can tell by looking at his face that he's in a constant state of turmoil. Miserable looking .

mum2three

I thoroughly enjoyed the scene. Trump speaks his mind...no pussyfooting about with this man. How refreshing after Biden and Obama....sucking up and appeasing.

What a revolting point of view. Disgraceful

I'm convinced it was a 'set up' by Trump,Vance and right wing reporter. Trump wants out and this was only way he could do it...and if things don't go to plan he will say it's Zelensky's fault and 'I told you so'.. all to look good for him on tv.. delivering on his promises for the ones who voted for him! Many many Americans loathe him! I'm convinced he's already done a deal with his pal Putin!

I haven't commented on this thread yet but so many posters have said what I think. Just to add my tuppenceworth though, I too was totally disgusted at the way Trump and Vance treated President Zelenskyy. Such rudeness to a man whose country is fighting for its existence and who was coping well in a language which is not his own.

Volunteer77

What a really nasty man Vance is. Bad as Trump is he's even worse. Awful to think that if anything happened to Trump he would be President

Apparently Vance is going to run for President in 2028 (assuming Trump doesn’t get the Constitution altered to enable him and his family to be POTUS indefinitely).

JenniferEccles

But Zelensky had arrived for what surely was the most important meeting of his life, where his entire country’s future was at stake and he turned up casually dressed.

I’m sorry but that was wrong.
He got off on the wrong foot.

Jennifer Eccles. Zelensky has repeatedly explained that he wears this military uniform to remind the world that Ukraine is at war and as a mark of respect for his countrymen who are currently fighting. If you really think a nice suit signals a decent and honourable approach, I suggest you look at the two individuals in the room who WERE in suits.

Outcast52

JenniferEccles

But Zelensky had arrived for what surely was the most important meeting of his life, where his entire country’s future was at stake and he turned up casually dressed.

I’m sorry but that was wrong.
He got off on the wrong foot.

Jennifer Eccles. Zelensky has repeatedly explained that he wears this military uniform to remind the world that Ukraine is at war and as a mark of respect for his countrymen who are currently fighting. If you really think a nice suit signals a decent and honourable approach, I suggest you look at the two individuals in the room who WERE in suits.

Agreed.

Zelensky was respectful to his people, better he wear a suit, act an idiot?

Outcast52

JenniferEccles

But Zelensky had arrived for what surely was the most important meeting of his life, where his entire country’s future was at stake and he turned up casually dressed.

I’m sorry but that was wrong.
He got off on the wrong foot.

Jennifer Eccles. Zelensky has repeatedly explained that he wears this military uniform to remind the world that Ukraine is at war and as a mark of respect for his countrymen who are currently fighting. If you really think a nice suit signals a decent and honourable approach, I suggest you look at the two individuals in the room who WERE in suits.

Excellent point Outcast52

Didn’t Starmer spend yesterday whipping up financial and military support from the EU so enabling Trump to dump Ukraine?

I think you may have a rosier view of all that than I do.

Against my better judgement, I am having to hope that Trump can stay healthy enough to hold on to his presidency as the thought of VP Vance having to step in is a far worst prospect. VPs are not usually so vocal or high profile so Trump had better watch his back. The enemy within and all that.

well it looks like Zelensky has made an enemy of Trump.. Let's see what he says in his speech to Congress..