Trump Pauses Aid To Ukraine

More sickening news with Trump removing satellite imagery leaving Ukraine no protection from Putin's missiles. This is no way to bring about a sustainable peace.

Rebuilding of the UK? Surely the Ukrainians should be going back and rebuilding their own war torn country

Dorisdodar

Wyllow3....I was replying to a comment about a mixed society...you calling me a racist??

No, I'm not. I said you had written some racist generalisations after posts on Ukrainians.

Didn’t not dint, sorry.

Dorisdodar

RosieandherMaw....which part? Referring to myself as a native?...well that's how Casdon described me...or saying there are no go areas in my region? Which is also true by the way.

I dint call you personally anything Dorisdodar, that’s not my style. I jokingly suggested that ‘ all the UK native curmudgeons who don’t appreciate the benefits of a mixed society could be deported, and we could keep (if they want to stay) the grateful, willing and productive Ukrainians here, to help towards the rebuilding of the UK for future generations.’

Elegran

Thinking back to learning a language in secondary school, I remember that finding swearwords and anatomical terms in that language was a popular occupation, particularly for the boys (we girls, of course, would not have dreamt of doing so - and if we did have a glance through the dictionary, it was only to translate what the boys were saying )

I remember merdre being rather popular amongst DS and his friends after a French exchange trip.

These Ukrainian children will have to learn Welsh as well as English - double whammy.

RosieandherMaw....which part? Referring to myself as a native?...well that's how Casdon described me...or saying there are no go areas in my region? Which is also true by the way.

Thinking back to learning a language in secondary school, I remember that finding swearwords and anatomical terms in that language was a popular occupation, particularly for the boys (we girls, of course, would not have dreamt of doing so - and if we did have a glance through the dictionary, it was only to translate what the boys were saying )

Casdon

Galaxy

In the schools in the very deprived area I work in, 30 % of primary school children are unable to speak English. Was that your childrens experience? Because it wasnt my childrens experience. But I live in a middle class village. Not hearing what the people in those communities are saying wont help.

My sister worked in a (secondary) school (academy) where that was the case, but there was a programme to fast track the children learning English, and most were fluent within a few months. Is that not the case where you are?

My DGD told me that one of the Ukrainian refugees in her class at primary school could speak some English, in particular he knew some very ripe swear words which she repeated to me (with glee).
I did say to her that he'd probably had a very tough time and perhaps could be excused.

Dorisdodar

Posted too soon...my home town now has no go areas for natives

Well that comes across as pretty racist!

Wyllow3....I was replying to a comment about a mixed society...you calling me a racist??

No fast track learning English I am afraid, probably by necessity different at secondary level. I am not sure people quite understand how different the situation is in deprived areas and what that means for those who live there.

Freya5

Casdon

Dorisdodar

Casdon... Don't need to be deported I already feel like an immigrant in my home town...no benefits for me from a mixed society

Until you need care at home, in hospital or a care home that is, or you need your bins emptied, to be served in the supermarket, goods driven to your home town, etc. our society runs on immigrants, as it has done for many years.

That so depends where you live, wouldn't you agree. Some areas have very little immigration, some, as our area, but not enough to overwhelm the local population.
As most of the jobs you describe are done by local people here I think you do a great disservice by saying all these jobs are done by immigrants.
The only concern I have, is the sudden influx of Turkish barbers.

Actually, no, I wouldn’t. I live near a rural town in mid Wales, but nonetheless the hospitals, care homes, hotels etc. are largely staffed by immigrants, mainly Eastern Europeans, Filipinos and Indians, who have come over on various schemes to attract people to work in shortage services.

Casdon

Dorisdodar

Casdon... Don't need to be deported I already feel like an immigrant in my home town...no benefits for me from a mixed society

Until you need care at home, in hospital or a care home that is, or you need your bins emptied, to be served in the supermarket, goods driven to your home town, etc. our society runs on immigrants, as it has done for many years.

That so depends where you live, wouldn't you agree. Some areas have very little immigration, some, as our area, but not enough to overwhelm the local population.
As most of the jobs you describe are done by local people here I think you do a great disservice by saying all these jobs are done by immigrants.
The only concern I have, is the sudden influx of Turkish barbers.

My town has a school for children who arrive with no English. My experience of several primary school aged children who were fleeing war torn Africa was they were quickly able to move into in main stream schools. Possibly areas of high deprivation/comparatively low rents have organised as a result of being used by government for

Galaxy

In the schools in the very deprived area I work in, 30 % of primary school children are unable to speak English. Was that your childrens experience? Because it wasnt my childrens experience. But I live in a middle class village. Not hearing what the people in those communities are saying wont help.

My sister worked in a (secondary) school (academy) where that was the case, but there was a programme to fast track the children learning English, and most were fluent within a few months. Is that not the case where you are?

In the schools in the very deprived area I work in, 30 % of primary school children are unable to speak English. Was that your childrens experience? Because it wasnt my childrens experience. But I live in a middle class village. Not hearing what the people in those communities are saying wont help.

We are talking about Ukrainian refugees on this thread. Not a place for racist generalisations.

Dorisdodar

Casdon... Don't need to be deported I already feel like an immigrant in my home town...no benefits for me from a mixed society

We’ve been a “mixed society” for many decades.

When my husband came across from Ireland at 5 in 1960 he lived in London and had Jamaican, West Indian and Chinese neighbours.

Posted too soon...my home town now has no go areas for natives

Yes I know that....but seeing has North West England has taken more asylum seekers than anywhere in the country and already has lots of immigrants who don't show any respect to the region it's now somewhere I don't recognise and my

Dorisdodar

Casdon... Don't need to be deported I already feel like an immigrant in my home town...no benefits for me from a mixed society

Until you need care at home, in hospital or a care home that is, or you need your bins emptied, to be served in the supermarket, goods driven to your home town, etc. our society runs on immigrants, as it has done for many years.

Casdon

Alternatively all the UK native curmudgeons who don’t appreciate the benefits of a mixed society could be deported, and we could keep (if they want to stay) the grateful, willing and productive Ukrainians here, to help towards the rebuilding of the UK for future generations.

Love that idea Casdon👏👏👏

Yes: if there is an agreed reliable peace then there are millions to be re-settled, this would have to be "bit by bit" - hopefully negotiated by the "willing countries" backing Ukraine.
I dont know what will happen now that the USA has announced it will end visas though.

Shipping them all back en masse at the first hint of a settlement, whether they want to return so soon or not, before the infrastructure is working normally, doesn't seem ideal. They will need accommodation, work and an income, schooling, access to medical services, food supplies and so on, which could all be at a lower level than were present before the conflict.