It doesn't seem unreasonable for Trump to want the pharma companies back in the US after they were persuaded to locate to Ireland by a low tax offer. Presumably that would increase the US tax take and more onshore jobs.
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(228 Posts)Trump. He certainly isn't Joe O'Biden.
Maremia
Yes Rosie51, but Vance has none of Trumps 'charm', so folk like MAGA and Fried won't be so entranced. The Republicans are scared of Trump, not sure they are of Vance.
So, if nature takes it's course, who are we to complain.
Will it matter who is or isn't entranced if Vance takes office? I dread to think of the calculated disruption and harm he could unleash. Trump acts reactively and without thought (just like a two year old) which is why he can change direction within 24 hours and claim he hasn't. With Vance there would be no such reversals.
There are those who appear to take pleasure in holding FGT's 'entrancement' responsible for Trump's actions but she really isn't that powerful! I may disagree with her 100% about Trump but it is unedifying to witness the hounding of her.
There could always be more than one assassination …. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen.
GrannyGravy13
This isn’t a discussion it’s a pile on.
People are allowed to have a different opinion, they are not required to constantly give their reasons for said view.
Rudeness is not an attractive personality trait.
And yet we who have different opinions are told 'to get over it', and suggestion of depression or mental illness, requiring a doctor's visit, and so on- and being told our posts are 'goady', etc.
No I don't know FGT2- and she doesn't know me, and neither do you.
Rosie51
For those wishing Trump dead do remember Vance will step into any vacancy. I despise Trump who exhibits the emotional maturity and stability of a two year old, but Vance is perfectly sane and emotionally stable. He is also, in my opinion, even more dangerous than Trump because his is a considered evil, not instinctive.
Agreed.
Claremont
Barleyfields
What an unpleasant post.
Not really. It is clear that FGT2 really enjoys posting stiring and goady posts extolling the virtues of Trump and previously Farage, in a very unpleasant way, knowing what the reaction will be.
No. She has opinions as do you.
You're always free to ignore. 
Well said GG.
This isn’t a discussion it’s a pile on.
People are allowed to have a different opinion, they are not required to constantly give their reasons for said view.
Rudeness is not an attractive personality trait.
Sorry Wibbly, I read that as 'the small suitcase'. Think I know what you meant but why is it 'a small staircase'?
Also Syracute, when he has bankrupted so many companies, who has bailed him out? Whose debt is he in?
Which of your charming post did I misunderstand, Fried?
Very good view on tariffs .
Something I read a little while ago, which I found interesting, though way too kind to him.
“The best, most cogent and elegantly simple explanation into the inexplicably destructive negotiating processes of the president,by Prof. David Honig of Indiana University.
Everybody I know should read this accurate and enlightening piece...
“I’m going to get a little wonky and write about Donald Trump and negotiations. For those who don't know, I'm an adjunct professor at Indiana University - Robert H. McKinney School of Law and I teach negotiations. Okay, here goes.
Trump, as most of us know, is the credited author of "The Art of the Deal," a book that was actually ghost written by a man named Tony Schwartz, who was given access to Trump and wrote based upon his observations. If you've read The Art of the Deal, or if you've followed Trump lately, you'll know, even if you didn't know the label, that he sees all dealmaking as what we call "distributive bargaining."
Distributive bargaining always has a winner and a loser. It happens when there is a fixed quantity of something and two sides are fighting over how it gets distributed. Think of it as a pie and you're fighting over who gets how many pieces. In Trump's world, the bargaining was for a building, or for construction work, or subcontractors. He perceives a successful bargain as one in which there is a winner and a loser, so if he pays less than the seller wants, he wins. The more he saves the more he wins.
The other type of bargaining is called integrative bargaining. In integrative bargaining the two sides don't have a complete conflict of interest, and it is possible to reach mutually beneficial agreements. Think of it, not a single pie to be divided by two hungry people, but as a baker and a caterer negotiating over how many pies will be baked at what prices, and the nature of their ongoing relationship after this one gig is over.
The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can't demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. There are always more pies to be baked. Further, negotiations aren't binary. China's choices aren't (a) buy soybeans from US farmers, or (b) don't buy soybeans. They can also (c) buy soybeans from Russia, or Argentina, or Brazil, or Canada, etc. That completely strips the distributive bargainer of his power to win or lose, to control the negotiation.
One of the risks of distributive bargaining is bad will. In a one-time distributive bargain, e.g. negotiating with the cabinet maker in your casino about whether you're going to pay his whole bill or demand a discount, you don't have to worry about your ongoing credibility or the next deal. If you do that to the cabinet maker, you can bet he won't agree to do the cabinets in your next casino, and you're going to have to find another cabinet maker.
There isn't another Canada.
So when you approach international negotiation, in a world as complex as ours, with integrated economies and multiple buyers and sellers, you simply must approach them through integrative bargaining. If you attempt distributive bargaining, success is impossible. And we see that already.
Trump has raised tariffs on China. China responded, in addition to raising tariffs on US goods, by dropping all its soybean orders from the US and buying them from Russia. The effect is not only to cause tremendous harm to US farmers, but also to increase Russian revenue, making Russia less susceptible to sanctions and boycotts, increasing its economic and political power in the world, and reducing ours. Trump saw steel and aluminum and thought it would be an easy win, BECAUSE HE SAW ONLY STEEL AND ALUMINUM - HE SEES EVERY NEGOTIATION AS DISTRIBUTIVE. China saw it as integrative, and integrated Russia and its soybean purchase orders into a far more complex negotiation ecosystem.
Trump has the same weakness politically. For every winner there must be a loser. And that's just not how politics works, not over the long run.
For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101, definitions you learn before you even start talking about styles and tactics. And here's another huge problem for us.
Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it.
From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. He's bringing a quarter that he insists of flipping for heads or tails, while everybody else is studying the chess board to decide whether its better to open with Najdorf or Grünfeld.”
— David Honig”
Yes Rosie51, but Vance has none of Trumps 'charm', so folk like MAGA and Fried won't be so entranced. The Republicans are scared of Trump, not sure they are of Vance.
So, if nature takes it's course, who are we to complain.
It was very unpleasant and somebody else obviously thought so as it was reported and deleted. I happen to know FGT. It’s obvious that you don’t. You might like to consider how some of your posts come across, particularly on your specialist subject of Brexit.
You miss my point by a country mile Maremia.
Have a deeper think on it.
So, in your eyes Fried, if you don't vote for someone then they shouldn't have to look after you.
So in your eyes, Labour should tell Reform voters etc to take a hike?
In your eyes Fried, who is Trump actually helping just now, apart from Musk, and disaster capitalists, and his billionaire doner buddies, by channeling his inner dodgy car salesman persona?
No, can't see 'charm' in any of that.
Barleyfields
What an unpleasant post.
Not really. It is clear that FGT2 really enjoys posting stiring and goady posts extolling the virtues of Trump and previously Farage, in a very unpleasant way, knowing what the reaction will be.
Allira
^Ps red wine alleviates my being het up^
Perhaps best not to post when you're imbibing, Susieq62?
Only two glasses not the bottle
Much as I dislike Trump I prefer him to Vance. As Rosie51 said he is more dangerous.
Well said, Rosie51
Hear hear!
For those wishing Trump dead do remember Vance will step into any vacancy. I despise Trump who exhibits the emotional maturity and stability of a two year old, but Vance is perfectly sane and emotionally stable. He is also, in my opinion, even more dangerous than Trump because his is a considered evil, not instinctive.
Actually it is fine I won’t post any more !
Ps red wine alleviates my being het up
Perhaps best not to post when you're imbibing, Susieq62?
So I have another post deleted because I challenge 🤷♀️
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