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Trump - critical press is "illegal"

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glasshalffullagain Mon 17-Mar-25 07:43:52

nanna8

Does the KKK still actually exist? Honest question because I really don’t know. If it does, is it legal or an undercover thing ? I was wondering because a lot of Trump supporters were from different ethnic groups, not just the good ole white American boys.

Yes, it exists,very much so. It exists in real life and it exists in living memory of those who were either on the receiving end of it or part of it.

Sallyforth Mon 17-Mar-25 05:24:01

And God please let it be soon. Every day something there is something new from the USA to worry about.

Babs03 Mon 17-Mar-25 04:52:06

Sorry typos, again am up with the flu.

Babs03 Mon 17-Mar-25 04:51:22

I am lost for words. Now, if anyone had any reasonable doubt, forget it, Trump is a dictator, going for the press like this smacks of other authoritarian dictators like Putin and Erdogan. Dictators who are ostensibly voted for so keep on ruling the roost. Who’s h leads me to believe Trump will try to change the law/the constitution by serving anther term or even more if he lives long enough. I never thought I’d see this.
Whatever God you believe in pray that God helps us all.

imaround Mon 17-Mar-25 03:59:36

It was quite the phenomenon, seeing those groups of people vote for him. Against their best interests.

The Muslims in Dearborne. The Venezuelans here legally. Gays. Heck, even white women.

I would love a good psychologist study it.

imaround Mon 17-Mar-25 03:51:03

Their presence is much smaller, but they are still around.

www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/ku-klux-klan/#2023-kkk-hate-groups

The KKK has mostly morphed into neo-nazi groups like The Proud Boys. It is all still there, it just has a different name.

nanna8 Mon 17-Mar-25 03:35:24

Does the KKK still actually exist? Honest question because I really don’t know. If it does, is it legal or an undercover thing ? I was wondering because a lot of Trump supporters were from different ethnic groups, not just the good ole white American boys.

imaround Mon 17-Mar-25 03:21:04

For discussion purposes only, this is an interesting study that identifies the most common trait of Trump voters: authoritianism.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533/

imaround Mon 17-Mar-25 02:03:01

He could have picked any other slogan. Even after he was warned. He didn't change his mind. He knew what he was doing.

imaround Mon 17-Mar-25 02:00:51

I never said all his supporters rally under American First in a racist way. I said that Trump uses it to embolden the racist part of his base.

The term literally has a racist and xenophobic history. Those who are current members of the KKK and Neo-Nazi clubs know exactly what it means. Just like the Madison Square garden rally last fall that looked a lot like the 1939 Nazi rally there. Or the "Roman salute that wasn't" that Musk did.

Trump was warned by the Anti Defamation League of the racist, xenophobic past of the term and he made the decision to continue to use it.

They weave a fine web of plausible deniability. The Nazi's in the base know exactly what he is doing and it emboldens them. The more power he accumulates, the more powerful they become in society because no one is pushing back against him.

In my opinion.

Wyllow3 Mon 17-Mar-25 01:14:16

If you look up America First its not very edifying at all, definitely white nationalist, but not all Trump supporters are.

nanna8 Mon 17-Mar-25 00:22:38

I don’t agree that those rallying under American First are xenophobic or KKK fans. Some may be but you just can’t label all his supporters like that.

imaround Sun 16-Mar-25 22:41:26

He literally told MAGA voters he didn't care about them, he just needed thier votes. To their faces. They cheered him on. Trump has never been about American first. America First, is a rallying cry to embolden the racist xenophobic base. It was started in WWI and then adopted by the KKK on the 20s.

Congress is not stopping this because they have a Republican majority. Any one if them who have tried to go against them ends up with death threats from MAGA.

nanna8 Sun 16-Mar-25 22:28:05

He seems to be getting worse and worse. He was always on about the land of the free and all that - I suppose it didn’t apply to him in his mind. I think it is frightening and such a shame because he could have been a good president after Biden.

rocketship Sun 16-Mar-25 22:28:00

Great post, Wyllow3 !!!

Another step toward a Hitler style dictatorship....
He already has his brown shirted ICE agents rounding up folks who are legally allowed to be in the USA!!

He is also ignoring orders from judges to stop what he's been doing.

Why isn't congress doing something to stop this madness!!

He must have secret files aka J. Edgar Hoover on some, and the rest are sooo afraid of losing in the next election should they oppose him & Musk's money, that they are willing to hide under their desks.

Unfortunately, many of the internet news and social sites are controlled by Trump sycophants~~

I fear that it's going to get worse~~~

imaround Sun 16-Mar-25 22:22:25

Most mainstream media in the US has been bought by right wing billionaires. Most of the agencies have already shifted towards Trump. As soon as they release negative press, he sues them for millions , they back down and settle and then start replacing journalists he doesn't. MSNBC is about the last holdout. Even CNN is Fox News Lite recently.

While he attacks the press, he is also attacking freedom of speech. The DOJ has declared that anyone protesting Tesla will be arrested and charged as domestic terrorists.

Our 1st Amenment is on its last legs it seems.

Wyllow3 Sun 16-Mar-25 22:03:56

Some of the outlets he's trying to attack do significant investigative journalism which are then drawn from both by social media and international news - this "story" used CNN material.

I think you are right its cant all be silenced unless/until you take control of internet sources but these are major sources telling a different story than Fox News.

valdavi Sun 16-Mar-25 21:37:34

How much use is it though, banning CCN when more & more people get their news from the internet & international sources?
Trump seems to be re-enacting the "mad dictator" role step by step & that's shocking, but he's not going be able to silence criticism in the USA by banning, TV & printed news outlets.

keepingquiet Sun 16-Mar-25 21:31:08

I remember Thatcher trying to get rid of the BBCs World Service years ago- now it sounds like Trump is doing a similar thing.

Thatcher didn't succeed though but Trump may well, then once your free press has gonre it will never return. One more step along the road folks...very worrying.

Wyllow3 Sun 16-Mar-25 21:01:21

Trumps paranoia and obsession to crush any comments that aren't favourable are beginning to take alarming shape. Its another step away from democracy and towards media control that look more and more like a dictatorship controlling what people know.

"Donald Trump expanded on his threats to the media on Friday, suggesting actions of the press should be deemed illegal and subject to investigation.

“I believe that CNN and MS-DNC, who literally write 97.6% bad about me, are political arms of the Democrat [sic] party and in my opinion, they’re really corrupt and they’re illegal, what do they do is illegal,” the president said during a contentious speech at the Department of Justice.

“These networks and these newspapers are really no different than a highly paid political operative,” Trump continued, claiming that CNN and MSNBC are corrupt.

And it has to stop, it has to be illegal, it’s influencing judges and it’s really changing law, and it just cannot be legal. I don’t believe it’s legal, and they do it in total coordination with each other,” he added

On Saturday, government-employed journalists at Voice of America (VoA) (government public service broadcasting - not a radical group)
..were put on administrative leave, a day after Trump signed an order eliminating the US Agency for Global Media (USAGM), VoA’s parent company, along with six other federal agencies.

Reporters at VoA, which broadcasts news, information and cultural programming in nearly 50 languages to a global audience, were placed on “administrative leave with full pay and benefits until otherwise notified”, according to an internal memo obtained by the Hill, adding that it is “not being done for any disciplinary purpose”.

The decision to place VoA employees on administrative leave came a day after its parent moved to terminate contracts with the Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France-Presse, and told its journalists on Friday to stop using material from the wire services

more details:
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/15/trump-media-attacks

and from CNN itself

edition.cnn.com/2025/03/14/media/trump-media-speech/index.html

"Trump’s speech built on and expanded his history of labeling the press an enemy of the people and the state.

But what he really means is that news organizations whose reporting he dislikes may face the wrath of a Justice Department weaponized by the president.

That Trump is willing to go after news organizations he dislikes should come as no surprise. The president is currently engaged in a civil lawsuit against the Pulitzer Board over its defending the awarding of the 2018 National Reporting Prize to the Washington Post and the New York Times over their coverage of Russian interference in the 2016 election and its alleged connections to the Trump campaign. In December, ABC News settled a defamation case from Trump for $15 million. And Paramount Global, which owns CBS News, is still fending off a Trump lawsuit over its “60 Minutes” sit-down with former Vice President Kamala Harris.

This is to say nothing of the president’s indefinite ban of the Associated Press from the Oval Office and Air Force One over the wire service’s continued use of the term “Gulf of Mexico.”