Robber Reeves mantra: "Boosting Growth"

Eh?

The Guardian is definitely off Labour today.

If we do enter into a recession or if her Spring Budget fails to produce growth I wonder whether Keir Starmer might appoint someone else?

Obviously mael3 isn’t a Labour supporter!

It’s news when The Guardian drops Labour …..

I don’t understand why Starmer doesn’t ditch her. She lied on her CV, she has upset so many people and she is just, well, awful.

ronib

The Guardian is definitely off Labour today.

Just telling the truth.

A bad look maybe, to drop her so soon?

Maybe he doesnt have a "suitable" replacement?

I am always surprised, in things I have volunteered for, how few people there are who will tackle any sort of accounts.
Maybe the same can be said of MPs?

I was replying to nanna8

Let’s hope it continues to Freya5… hadn’t noticed such anti Labour sentiment before.

That headline isn’t in the Guardian? Please post the article you are talking about mael13 so that you don’t just get random posts on this thread from people who haven’t read whichever article you ate talking about.

What ‘truth’ is this? Is it just another libellous rant, or is there a story? I’m not a fan of the Guardian these days, but I find them much more coherent than the OP.

Has Reeves been found guilty of ‘robbing’? That would be a story, but there’s nothing in the post to explain or justify the accusation.

What’s ’the old one’, and how is it worn out?

When are workhouses coming back, and how will they operate? Are they just for pensioners and the disabled, or can anyone apply?

What is different about donors to the Labour Party, as compared to the Tory ones? Are they operating outside of the regulations, or is that a non-story too?

Answers to those questions might help us to decipher the OP.

I don’t understand the OP
The Guardian isn’t the paper it was and hasn’t supported Labour in a long while.
Owen Jones is much admired by the paper with his anti Labour/anti women views.

I’m surprised the OP isn’t pushing the LP to go hard on reducing the benefit bill which is unsustainable

But is the benefits unsustainable in the long term? What do you suggest the long term disabled do?
I would much rather spend £3 billion a year on our disabled population rather than send it to Ukraine for the next 100 years.

Rather than hijacking the thread with musings, could you post the article ronib as it sounds like you know what mael3 is referring to, then we can discuss what it says?

It’s more the younger generation that are the problem here, the ones who cite MH as the reason they can’t work.There are a ridiculously huge amount of them now, not working, not in school and not in further education.

Jessica Elgot writing under Benefits in today’s Guardian? Casdon

Do you mean an opinion piece ronib? I’d pay an opinion article in the Guardian as much attention as I would one in any other paper - ie not much, because it’s one person’s view, and often it’s the controversial bile spitters.

My husband thought that the Guardian is trying to influence opinion on cuts to disability benefits. That’s good isn’t it Casdon?

Leaving aside the ranty nature of this late night post …

Economic growth is driven by consumer spending and business investment so the second paragraph is incorrect. Everybody has a part to play.

Witness the recent row over rumours about changing how much money can be held in tax free cash savings. What a furore that caused among people with tens of thousands stashed away.

You only have to read some of the discussion on here to see that a people are not spending in the economy as they could do or once might have done. e.g. people not going to cinema as much as they used to and the discussion about eating from the contents of a freezer as opposed to ordering takeaway food or going out to a restaurant. Just these two everyday things change they way that money is being put into the economy and local businesses, money which promotes growth through broader consumer spending.

Economic growth is driven by consumer spending and business investment so the second paragraph is incorrect. Everybody has a part to play.

I don’t think Reeves understands the bit about growth being driven by consumer spending. Or by any spending by businesses or the state.

She has a magical belief in ‘business investment’ doing the trick, oblivious to the fact that businesses won’t invest until they are pretty well convinced that there is a market for them to profit from. In other words, that the aforementioned consumers, businesses and state have money they intend to spend.

Consumers are feeling the pinch and the fact that one in five UK citizens are living in poverty doesn’t improve confidence in the likelihood the consumer spending spree that would tempt investors.

The state is busy insisting that it’s going to seriously cut its spending, so where is the spending that is going to lead to growth meant to come from?

Economists are begging her to give up her ‘fiscal rules’, but Reeves is too stupid to see the illogic of her current course.

Rumour has it that not only are backbench MPs up in arms and ready to rebel over proposed cuts to benefits but some Cabinet ministers are strongly opposing departmental spending cuts. This could fizzle out, or it could cause serious damage to Reeves and Starmer.

ronib

My husband thought that the Guardian is trying to influence opinion on cuts to disability benefits. That’s good isn’t it Casdon?

I’m not sure ronib. The PIP costs have been growing exponentially, and whilst I certainly wouldn’t want genuine claimants who are unable to work due to a disability to have their benefits stopped, I don’t think there is any doubt that the current system isn’t working, and that people are claiming PIP benefits who could be working with support. I want to wait until we hear the detail tomorrow before I leap on any bandwagons.

The use of words like 'stealth taxes', 'raids' and 'robbers' just makes me think spin and tabloid rubbish.

It is tabloid rubbish Churchview