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Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

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Claremont Tue 18-Mar-25 18:43:30

- without warning, in the middle of the night- in the middle of Ramadan.

NOTHING.

AGAA4 Fri 21-Mar-25 19:49:45

The first link didn't open but the second did and describes perfectly what genocide is by a specialist on the subject.
What is happening in Gaza is genocide.

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:48:18

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Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 19:43:30

Quote Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:40:57
Anniebach
I disagree
You disagree with Jewish specialist historians, and with a holocaust survivor. This is shameful- and I have a right to my opinion too.

As do I

Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 19:41:49

The link wouldn’t open, perhaps one has to be a member of Facebook

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:40:57

Anniebach

I disagree

You disagree with Jewish specialist historians, and with a holocaust survivor. This is shameful- and I have a right to my opinion too.

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:39:05

What terrible disrespect for an 87 year old holocaust survivor Annie. And even more so if you have not bothered, or even refused, to listen to him.

Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 19:35:03

He has a right to his opinion

AGAA4 Fri 21-Mar-25 19:33:57

Nobody more qualified to say 'this is genocide' than Mr Kapos. A man who has lived through the holocaust.

Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 19:30:46

I disagree

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:29:17

●"Yes, it is genocide in Gaza. This is exactly what genocide looks like". Amos Goldberg, professor of Holocaust History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/.../prof-amos.../

●"A textbook case of genocide". Raz Segal (Hebrew: רז סגל) is an Israeli historian residing in the United States who is Associate Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and Endowed Professor in the Study of Genocide
jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

●"Genocide in plain sight".

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:22:45

Wyllow3

Thats a very good video

Quote

"You don't liberate the hostages by bombing
You negotiate"

Stephen Kapos is an 87 year old holocaust survivor. Are you saying he is 'hysterical' Annie, really?
And I am quite sure you've not even bothered to listen to what he has to say. And he says it clearly 'this is genocide'.

Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 19:20:40

I doubt it very much

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 19:19:23

Oh indeed Annie, indeed. For once, we agree.

Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 19:06:29

Me thinks hysteria has developed

Oreo Fri 21-Mar-25 19:02:28

Wyllow3

Thats a very good video

Quote

"You don't liberate the hostages by bombing
You negotiate"

Only with a reasonable enemy.Hamas are totally unreasonable.

Wyllow3 Fri 21-Mar-25 18:53:17

Thats a very good video

Quote

"You don't liberate the hostages by bombing
You negotiate"

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 18:18:05

No need for translation here, this holocaust survivor calling this genocide

www.facebook.com/share/r/19ZjW8ZiZy/

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 18:13:02

Get your own people to check then.

Any Hebrew speakers here?

Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 18:06:08

Quote Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 17:56:16
Anniebach
Wonder who translated
Friends whose native tongue is Hebrew and who are themselves translators confirmed it was correct.

Sorry but I pass,, you speak of conspiracy theory ,,perhaps the same friends who translated spoke of it too

Allira Fri 21-Mar-25 17:58:56

And others are going beyond this and saying it was deliberate to allow him to finally do what he had planned for so long, but needed 'an excuse'.

That is a conspiracy theory.

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 17:56:16

Anniebach

Wonder who translated

Friends whose native tongue is Hebrew and who are themselves translators confirmed it was correct.

Anniebach Fri 21-Mar-25 17:46:26

Wonder who translated

growstuff Fri 21-Mar-25 17:45:04

Claremont

The video of his intentions in 2001 is not a conspiracy theory, however. Neither is the fact that repeated warnings were given, to the very top, and that the Head of the Army services resigned because Netanyahu chose to ignore.

The only question is about whether the attack was allowed to happen to enable him to do what he had been planning since so long, and clearly since 2001. We will probably never know- but it is nt surprising, in the circumstances, that some have come to that conclusion.

I don't really go for the conspiracy theory. However, I do think that Israeli security took its eye off the ball along the Gaza boundary because it thought the greater threat would come in the West Bank, where Israeli has been grabbing Palestinian land with impunity.

Claremont Fri 21-Mar-25 17:42:58

Here is a ling to that 2001 video. His intentions are clear, and so are the concerns of the woman in reply to his plans.

www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/17es58s/a_leaked_video_from_2001_shows_israeli_pm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

growstuff Fri 21-Mar-25 17:39:53

Allira

It's not going to happen until Hamas, Netanyahu and Trumpington have all gone.

The 12th of Never.

I fear you are correct - and then there will be other people to take their places.