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Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

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Claremont Tue 18-Mar-25 18:43:30

- without warning, in the middle of the night- in the middle of Ramadan.

NOTHING.

Anniebach Wed 19-Mar-25 10:44:02

How do we know the number of dead, can we believe the videos released , ?

AGAA4 Wed 19-Mar-25 10:36:06

I agree with Babs03. There are none so blind as those who*will not see*.
Genocide is happening. It has nothing to do with religion and nothing to do with defence.

Boz Wed 19-Mar-25 10:35:25

The intractable bloodbath in the Holy Land (sic) is that both parties have right and wrong on their side and it is impossible to see how the matter can ever be resolved.
Somewhat contradictory to that argument is that
Power and Money seem to be the overriding factor in most things, especially war, so draw your own conclusions

foxie48 Wed 19-Mar-25 10:34:41

The return of all hostages was contingent on Israel withdrawing it's troops, which Netanyahu has not done and he's now bombed Gaza breaking the truce. IMO he had absolutely no intention of following through to phase 2 of the peace deal and the "Hostages and Missing Families Forum has accused the government of "a complete deception" by pulling out of a deal "that could have brought everyone home."

Anniebach Wed 19-Mar-25 10:25:59

How come, many posters claim no News journalists, allowed in
Gaza, yet we read this morning ‘13 killed, mostly women and children, one woman was pregnant’ .

Who released this ? Hamas

Claremont Wed 19-Mar-25 10:05:49

Whitewavemark2

The problem here is that there are two subjects under discussion

Anti-semitism

The Israeli state.

The two should not be muddled.

So when posters criticise genocide, and other such evil acts, they are talking about the Israeli state. Those posters could equally post abhorring all acts of anti-semtism.

To muddle the two is in itself an act of anti-semitism.

Yes, thank you. It is an official and recommended tactic, to change any criticism of Netanyahu and this genocide into 'anti-semitism'.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:57:38

Whitewavemark2

Stage two had been agreed with Israel, Qatar, Egypt and Hamas.

It was always thought that Israel would not comply with the agreement.

And so it has been proven.

I have just had a look and part of the second stage was that Hamas returned a set number of live hostages (which they have said are alive) and the remains of those who are dead.

Hamas apparently haven’t agreed to that.

I repeat I do not condone these bombings.

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 09:54:30

*terrorists

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 09:53:53

Babs03

Unfortunately some cannot be argued with, their opinions are set in stone no matter how much evidence to the contrary is provided. So will put up no arguments. For me this isn’t a debate. It is a statement of fact. Netanyahu is committing genocide and now has the full support of Trump who is eager to get his hands on a prime piece of real estate next to the med.
That is all there is to say.

What an utterly ghastly situation!

I do not support Hamas, nothing can ever ever excuse or condone their behaviour, however I don’t support Trump or Netanyahu either.

I do support both Jewish and Palestinian citizens and think both communities have the right to live in peace without flawed, corrupt or terrists governing them.

It’s terribly sad.

Caleo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:50:31

Jews, Christians, and Muslims have more in common than they have in opposition.

The sovereign state of Israel should never have been created after the British mandate of Palestine ceased .Netanyahu's war is not a war of religion it's a war of colonisation.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:50:21

Stage two had been agreed with Israel, Qatar, Egypt and Hamas.

It was always thought that Israel would not comply with the agreement.

And so it has been proven.

Babs03 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:49:41

Unfortunately some cannot be argued with, their opinions are set in stone no matter how much evidence to the contrary is provided. So will put up no arguments. For me this isn’t a debate. It is a statement of fact. Netanyahu is committing genocide and now has the full support of Trump who is eager to get his hands on a prime piece of real estate next to the med.
That is all there is to say.

Anniebach Wed 19-Mar-25 09:46:44

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Anniebach
Quote ayse Wed 19-Mar-25 08:55:39
Anniebach
It’s clear to me Israel wants to clear the land of Terrorists , should they wait for more repeats of October 2023 ?
So babies and children are terrorists? Or just collateral damage?

Do explain what were the two babies and their mother taken as
hostages by Hamas ?
Killing Palestinians won't bring back the Israelis killed in October 2023. What do you think will be achieved

The Islamic Resistance Movement, abbreviated Hamas, is a Palestinian nationalist Sunni Islamist political organisation with a military wing, the Qassam Brigades. It has governed the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip since 2007. Wikipedia

They cannot bring back the dead, why are they being condemned for preventing further attacks ?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:44:17

Cossy

Oreo

It’s all awful but could stop today as I said earlier if hamas released hostages and gave in, they have no hope of winning anything now but are doing what all terrorists do, causing as much trouble as they can, in this case for their own people.

Do you truly believe there are any hostages left alive? Hamas will say they were all killed in the Israeli attacks!

If the remaining hostages are in the tunnels with the cowardly Hamas operatives then yes there will be surviving hostages.

If Hamas cared one iota for the people that elected them they would be sheltering them in the tunnels, not prioritising themselves, weaponry, food and water for their use…

I am not condoning the current attacks.

Stage one of the ceasefire stopped several weeks ago, the interested parties have been unable to reach an agreement on Stage two.

Meanwhile Hamas continue to post on social media their intentions to repeat the atrocities of 7th October, 2023 again and again until every Jew is wiped off of the planet…

Caleo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:42:44

Is it worth the effort of typing on our keyboards to object to opinion from readers of the Daily Mail?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:40:13

The problem here is that there are two subjects under discussion

Anti-semitism

The Israeli state.

The two should not be muddled.

So when posters criticise genocide, and other such evil acts, they are talking about the Israeli state. Those posters could equally post abhorring all acts of anti-semtism.

To muddle the two is in itself an act of anti-semitism.

growstuff Wed 19-Mar-25 09:38:48

Anniebach

Quote ayse Wed 19-Mar-25 08:55:39
Anniebach
It’s clear to me Israel wants to clear the land of Terrorists , should they wait for more repeats of October 2023 ?
So babies and children are terrorists? Or just collateral damage?

Do explain what were the two babies and their mother taken as
hostages by Hamas ?

Killing Palestinians won't bring back the Israelis killed in October 2023. What do you think will be achieved?

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 09:38:33

Oreo

It’s all awful but could stop today as I said earlier if hamas released hostages and gave in, they have no hope of winning anything now but are doing what all terrorists do, causing as much trouble as they can, in this case for their own people.

Do you truly believe there are any hostages left alive? Hamas will say they were all killed in the Israeli attacks!

Caleo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:38:30

Oreo, so what of the Israeli offensive in the West Bank which does not directly concern Hamas?

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 09:37:34

Sadly Foxie48 I can only agree with you.

Trump getting peace in both countries appears to have made both situations worse!

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 09:35:24

Anniebach

What can excuse the Hamas and other Palestinian groups attack on Israel October 7th 2023 and the treatment of the Israeli Hostages following October 7th 3023 .?

The tiny babies held has hostages and brutally murdered with their mother was excusable ?

The number killed has been given by Hamas

Absolutely nothing excuses this Anniebach, nothing excuses the persecution of Jewish people across centuries, but Netanyahu has gone way too far.

Oreo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:33:41

It’s all awful but could stop today as I said earlier if hamas released hostages and gave in, they have no hope of winning anything now but are doing what all terrorists do, causing as much trouble as they can, in this case for their own people.

Oreo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:30:41

In that case hamas is the spear that kills Jews and Iran is the arm that thrusts the spear.

Caleo Wed 19-Mar-25 09:30:19

US fights proxy wars

foxie48 Wed 19-Mar-25 09:29:43

Smileless2012

^Netanyahu is defending Israel from further attacks^ no he isn't, he's committing genocide while the world looks on.

I agree with you but those who believe it is a justified response to the 7/10 attack will never change their minds. I doubt Netanyahu will ever be brought to justice but at least he won't come here for fear of arrest. Sadly, I don't have any hope left for Gazans now that Trump is in the White House, just like I have little hope for the Ukrainians for the same reason.