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Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

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Claremont Tue 18-Mar-25 18:43:30

- without warning, in the middle of the night- in the middle of Ramadan.

NOTHING.

Maremia Tue 25-Mar-25 17:33:33

Thanks Wyllow3

Wyllow3 Tue 25-Mar-25 15:09:07

Maremia

Now we know what they think of us. Time to strengthen our ties with Europe, even though those Idiots claim that Europe is dying.
Meanwhile, on the West Bank, that 0scar winning film producer has been assaulted and then 'taken away' by Israeli security.

This CNN report really gives all the details in full:

www.cnn.com/2025/03/24/middleeast/ballal-oscar-palestinian-beaten-israeli-settlers-intl-latam/index.html

Very revealing as to the state of affairs given the growing occupation of the West Bank

Parsley3 Tue 25-Mar-25 14:45:42

I don't think Trump has "nudged" Europe, he has completely undermined the alliances that have maintained some sort of stability in the world. He's playing to his MAGA maniacs, who will love his bullying tactics, rather than being a responsible POTUS with huge power at his fingertips
Well said.
Unfortunately, American politics has been reduced to alternative facts, name calling, bullying and picking fights with former allies. Russia and China will be the only winners from Trump's presidency.

Eloethan Tue 25-Mar-25 14:30:57

Netanyahu is a disgusting human being.

Jewish people have in the past always supported oppressed people - as they did, most bravely, in South Africa. There are still many who oppose Israel's actions but their voices are being drowned out.

Maremia Tue 25-Mar-25 14:00:59

Now we know what they think of us. Time to strengthen our ties with Europe, even though those Idiots claim that Europe is dying.
Meanwhile, on the West Bank, that 0scar winning film producer has been assaulted and then 'taken away' by Israeli security.

Allira Tue 25-Mar-25 13:08:38

It's all starting to fall apart at the seams

Oh dear 😁

AGAA4 Tue 25-Mar-25 11:58:09

I don't think Trump was at the meeting as Vance said he disagreed with Trump on some things.
I think this will have angered Trump and Vance had to meet him in his office. Apparently all is well now between them.

foxie48 Tue 25-Mar-25 11:53:00

Trump has complete amateurs in highly sensitive positions. It probably means they won't question his decisions, even when they should, which is why they are where they are!

FGT I don't think Trump has "nudged" Europe, he has completely undermined the alliances that have maintained some sort of stability in the world. He's playing to his MAGA maniacs, who will love his bullying tactics, rather than being a responsible POTUS with huge power at his fingertips. There were many more diplomatic ways of ensuring European countries step up to defend themselves IMHO he's a complete fool and I actually think he's showing signs of some sort of dementia.

TheatreLover Tue 25-Mar-25 11:30:06

foxie48

Well it wasn't kept very secret, the channel they were using could have easily been intercepted and they accidentally included a journalist in the group. Honestly, what incompetence!

One of the contributors to the discussion was in the Kremlin at the time waiting to see Putin. Signal is reasonably secure for personal communication but should never be used for top secret communication. The Kremlin are clever enough to have followed this communication.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 25-Mar-25 11:12:20

Trump has managed to nudge Europe into doing the right thing. Not before time. Some countries in the EU were definitely taking America for a ride.

Wyllow3 Tue 25-Mar-25 11:06:27

Not just incompetence, but so very revealing - so much for secret - the worlds eyes are on the area and any actions taken by US.

foxie48 Tue 25-Mar-25 10:50:09

Well it wasn't kept very secret, the channel they were using could have easily been intercepted and they accidentally included a journalist in the group. Honestly, what incompetence!

Wyllow3 Tue 25-Mar-25 10:28:11

But surely in that case it should have been internationally discussed, not a secret mission by US only? I don't understand how are Europe "freeloaders? Are only the US paying?

AGAA4 Tue 25-Mar-25 10:20:26

GG13 I agree but it shows how unfriendly the US are to Europe now.
We have to pay our way.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 25-Mar-25 10:12:42

AGAA4

What was said in the meeting (BBC) was that the US want to open the shipping lanes and charge the freeloaders meaning Europe for doing it.

I do not agree with the language used, but they have a point.

If the west is relying on the USA to police these shipping lanes and keep them safe for all to use, then it is right that all contribute either financially or militarily…

AGAA4 Tue 25-Mar-25 10:04:37

What was said in the meeting (BBC) was that the US want to open the shipping lanes and charge the freeloaders meaning Europe for doing it.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 25-Mar-25 09:29:19

Houthi’s are funded by Iran.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 25-Mar-25 09:28:29

Houthi’s (who are a terrorist organisation) began attacking shipping soon after the atrocities of 7/10/2023 and have continued to do so, this makes them a legitimate target.

ronib Tue 25-Mar-25 09:24:02

And we know that the Houthis are attacking ships so not some random US assault?

Anniebach Tue 25-Mar-25 09:02:58

Yes I heard on the news a few minutes ago, thank you

AGAA4 Tue 25-Mar-25 08:48:17

Anniebach

Yes the USA, we didn’t have several threads on the go on Biden

Trump is very much more volatile than Biden and causing unrest in many other countries.
The latest problem they've caused is inadvertently allowing a journalist into a top secret meeting about an attack on the Houthis. Vance was the most senior at the meeting as well as Hesgarth.
So the US are attacking in the Houthis in the Yemen.

Anniebach Tue 25-Mar-25 08:32:22

Yes the USA, we didn’t have several threads on the go on Biden

AGAA4 Mon 24-Mar-25 20:13:30

The USA back Israel so of course they're important.

Anniebach Mon 24-Mar-25 20:06:21

I don’t think Trump is of any importance in it , he only came to power January 2025,.

valdavi Mon 24-Mar-25 20:00:44

Yes that's what Netanyahu wants. If Gaza was part of Israel it would be called ethnic cleansing. But Gaza is Palestinian territory. Not that Trump knows or cares.