Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

escaped well said, I couldn’t agree more.

Talking of wrongs, Israel is doing nothing wrong attaching the highest level of importance to getting hostages back. It's not possible for anyone to talk with Hamas, so Israel sees fighting it out with weapons as the only way possible. I can understand that, and I don't consider that wrong.

What does concern me, and something is definitely going wrong here, is how medicines treatment and water can't easily be delivered to Palestinians. Releasing the hostages might miraculously make this happen, and to my mind it is so worth a try.

May wrongs don't make a right

We’ve had plenty of murderous bullies in the past being welcomed here with State Banquets and all sorts ……

We don't want murderous bullies like him here. Perhaps you'd like to visit him in Israel though Anniebach as you're so obviously a friend?

Does he want to come to the UK

And Netanyahu isn’t allowed into the UK is he so he isn’t exactly squeaky clean.

Claremont an Oscar winner !

BBC News
Published
27 February 2025
Updated 28 February 2025
The BBC has apologised and admitted "serious flaws" in the making of a documentary about children's lives in Gaza.
The documentary, Gaza: How to Survive a War Zone, was pulled from iPlayer last week after it emerged its 13-year-old narrator was the son of a Hamas official.
It said it has "no plans to broadcast the programme again in its current form or return it to iPlayer".
Hoyo Films, the production company that made the documentary for the BBC, said it felt it was "important to hear from voices that haven't been represented onscreen throughout the war with dignity and respect".
The company added it was "cooperating fully" with the BBC to "help understand where mistakes have been made".
The BBC removed the documentary after concerns were raised that it centred on a boy called Abdullah who is the son of Hamas's deputy minister of agriculture. Hamas is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by the UK and others.

Rula

Two million people live in Gaza. 50 thousand have died. Awful result of war. Innocents suffering.

I believe that the definition of genocide must have changed over the years. Surely Israel would just have bombed Palestine into oblivion. Which it obviously hasn't.

I would have assumed that a genocidal act would not give warnings, evacuation facilitation. I wouldn't have thought a genocidal aggressor would pause bombings for children to be vaccinated.

I've lived in Israel. I was working to assist Palestinians going into Israel for medical treatment. Which was ongoing until October 7th. Which was a genocidal act by Hamas and some civilians.

There is very little understanding amongst contributors on this site. Thank goodness for the few who do understand.

What do you think the original definition of genocide was? How has it changed over the years?

I'm sure you're aware that the term "genocide" was coined in 1943. The Holocaust Memorial Museum's definition is the original.

How can you deny that what Israel is now doing is "deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part". Over 80% of Gaza's infrastructure has been destroyed. Israel has denied Gazans essential food and medication since the beginning of the war. The sole aim is to clear the area of Palestinians - that's genocide.

The Hamas attack on 7th October was horrendous, but it wasn't genocide. What the Israelis are doing now, especially in the last week, is.

Quote Rula Sun 23-Mar-25 19:56:25
Two million people live in Gaza. 50 thousand have died. Awful result of war. Innocents suffering.

I believe that the definition of genocide must have changed over the years. Surely Israel would just have bombed Palestine into oblivion. Which it obviously hasn't.

I would have assumed that a genocidal act would not give warnings, evacuation facilitation. I wouldn't have thought a genocidal aggressor would pause bombings for children to be vaccinated.

I've lived in Israel. I was working to assist Palestinians going into Israel for medical treatment. Which was ongoing until October 7th. Which was a genocidal act by Hamas and some civilians.

There is very little understanding amongst contributors on this site. Thank goodness for the few who do understand.

Thank you Rula Thank you

They could have very easily stopped the October attack. The had warning, intelligence and all the security cameras and very precise ammuntions and drones to do so in minutes- and plenty of time to do so.

Two million people live in Gaza. 50 thousand have died. Awful result of war. Innocents suffering.

I believe that the definition of genocide must have changed over the years. Surely Israel would just have bombed Palestine into oblivion. Which it obviously hasn't.

I would have assumed that a genocidal act would not give warnings, evacuation facilitation. I wouldn't have thought a genocidal aggressor would pause bombings for children to be vaccinated.

I've lived in Israel. I was working to assist Palestinians going into Israel for medical treatment. Which was ongoing until October 7th. Which was a genocidal act by Hamas and some civilians.

There is very little understanding amongst contributors on this site. Thank goodness for the few who do understand.

escaped

I don't want to believe it is genocide, but if the hostages were to be released and the bombing still continued, I would have to concede that it is.

What I don't understand is, that if Israeli troops are on the ground in Gaza, surely they can ensure precision attacks on Hamas targets without bombing civilians? That would make the fighting more focused and less destructive.

That's what's happening whether the hostages are released or not.

You're right that the Israelis could ensure precision attacks - maybe the issue is that they don't want to. They're quite happy to destroy even more property and lives. It's barbaric.

This is the definition of genocide used by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:

The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Genocide is an international crime, according to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948). The acts that constitute genocide fall into five categories:

"Killing members of the group

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group"

Anniebach How can you in all seriousness deny that is what is happening in Gaza?

PS. You wont even bother to try and answer - you'll just churn out some 'non sequitur' statement.

I don't want to believe it is genocide, but if the hostages were to be released and the bombing still continued, I would have to concede that it is.

What I don't understand is, that if Israeli troops are on the ground in Gaza, surely they can ensure precision attacks on Hamas targets without bombing civilians? That would make the fighting more focused and less destructive.

Anniebach

Quote Maremia Sun 23-Mar-25 15:42:22
Anniebach, re a previous discussion we had, The Israeli Defence Minister has just sent to the people of Gaza, a 'final warning' to leave their homes or face obliteration.
Sounds like genocide to me.

I question why . Their faith, their skin colour, or return of hostages both alive and dead , Hamas ?
I believe the latter two which is not genocide

You quite obviously don't even understand what genocide is.

Allira

growstuff

Maremia I'm not sure what the source of that is, but if it's true, it certainly sounds like genocide. A difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel has the military capability to carry out its threats.

It was last Wednesday.
On Wednesday, Israel escalated the violence as its troops pushed deeper into Gaza, with Israeli defence minister Israel Katz issuing a “final warning” to the people in Gazans that unless the hostages were returned and the Hamas militant group eliminated, “the alternative is complete destruction and devastation”.
Independent 19th March

Have Hamas returned the hostages?

Thanks Allira. I found it after I posted. I've also read that Gazans are being "helped" by Israel to leave "voluntarily" while threats to bomb even more land are ongoing. I don't understand how anybody can deny this is genocide.

The Egyptians came up with the basis of a perfectly reasonable peace deal, but the Israelis wouldn't accept it, so they're now behaving like murderous bullies. There is no way Hams will release any surviving hostages in those circumstances, so the end result will be the loss of the hostages but Israel will have annexed Gaza in its entirety and the West Bank will be next.

The children of Gaza, who are being killed, have no control over Hamas, but they will be included in the genocide.

Sorry Anniebach, I'm not sure what your recent response means.

If they release the hostages and then it continues we will know the answer.

What's left of them after Israeli barrages

Quote Maremia Sun 23-Mar-25 15:42:22
Anniebach, re a previous discussion we had, The Israeli Defence Minister has just sent to the people of Gaza, a 'final warning' to leave their homes or face obliteration.
Sounds like genocide to me.

I question why . Their faith, their skin colour, or return of hostages both alive and dead , Hamas ?
I believe the latter two which is not genocide

growstuff

Maremia I'm not sure what the source of that is, but if it's true, it certainly sounds like genocide. A difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel has the military capability to carry out its threats.

It was last Wednesday.
On Wednesday, Israel escalated the violence as its troops pushed deeper into Gaza, with Israeli defence minister Israel Katz issuing a “final warning” to the people in Gazans that unless the hostages were returned and the Hamas militant group eliminated, “the alternative is complete destruction and devastation”.
Independent 19th March

Have Hamas returned the hostages?

Maremia I'm not sure what the source of that is, but if it's true, it certainly sounds like genocide. A difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel has the military capability to carry out its threats.

Anniebach, re a previous discussion we had, The Israeli Defence Minister has just sent to the people of Gaza, a 'final warning' to leave their homes or face obliteration.
Sounds like genocide to me.