Nothing but nothing, can excuse Israel breaking the cease-fire in Gaza

Quote Claremont Sun 23-Mar-25 13:46:49
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Aveline
There will never be peace there.
Probably not total peace but the end of what’s happening now and the end of hamas control in Gaza.
Totally the opposite. Every bomb, every death- means that more 'terrorists' are made, day by day. If they continue to be killed, and those who survive are forced out without a right to return- peace will never happen, and the retaliation against Israel will be huge. And probably will take us all down with them.

Do you really think that those who are forced out will just go and live elsewhere (where???) peacefully with peace and joy in their heart. And do you really think that other Arab Muslims in the region will accept what has happened, and be ready to live and let live in a Palestine which was created by 50000 + of deaths, bombs, torture, and worse - and live around in Peace?

If you do believe this, you are extremely naïve and totally out of touch with the realities of the Middle East.
Where do I say that Gazans should be forced out?
As for other Arab Muslims in the region, they don’t want Palestinians coming to live in their countries.
I actually said, as opposed to whatever you choose to think I said that there won’t be total peace ( terrorists pop up like mushrooms) but this conflict will end, Gaza will be rebuilt and hamas will have no more political clout there.I didn’t say it would be Paradise on earth.
You didn't say it. But they did! Netanyahu, and Trump- that is their plan.

No confusion AnnieB. The West Bank is just as much at risk as Gaza now.

With a Hamas government !

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Aveline

There will never be peace there.

Probably not total peace but the end of what’s happening now and the end of hamas control in Gaza.

Totally the opposite. Every bomb, every death- means that more 'terrorists' are made, day by day. If they continue to be killed, and those who survive are forced out without a right to return- peace will never happen, and the retaliation against Israel will be huge. And probably will take us all down with them.

Do you really think that those who are forced out will just go and live elsewhere (where???) peacefully with peace and joy in their heart. And do you really think that other Arab Muslims in the region will accept what has happened, and be ready to live and let live in a Palestine which was created by 50000 + of deaths, bombs, torture, and worse - and live around in Peace?

If you do believe this, you are extremely naïve and totally out of touch with the realities of the Middle East.

Where do I say that Gazans should be forced out?
As for other Arab Muslims in the region, they don’t want Palestinians coming to live in their countries.
I actually said, as opposed to whatever you choose to think I said that there won’t be total peace ( terrorists pop up like mushrooms) but this conflict will end, Gaza will be rebuilt and hamas will have no more political clout there.I didn’t say it would be Paradise on earth.

You didn't say it. But they did! Netanyahu, and Trump- that is their plan.

No confusion AnnieB. The West Bank is just as much at risk as Gaza now.

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Quote Claremont Sun 23-Mar-25 11:43:19
Yes, the one that won an Oscar for best documentary or the year and has been watched by millions across the world.

And I am quite sure that you have not watched it either.

I watched the documentary on Gaza narrated by children of
Hamas government officials, I posted on the the thread on GransNet, very few threads before documentary was pulled

You seem confused , Gaza and West Bank, or you are saying
Hamas is government of West Bank ?

As for petitions and protests in Israel by the friends and relatives and concerned people to try and get the hostages back, it’s understandable and I’d be there with them if it were my friend or relative languishing in a hamas tunnel.
Goverments however concerned about their citizens have to do their level best to release them from the terrorists by whatever method they think will work best, which isn’t always by caving to their every demand.

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Aveline

There will never be peace there.

Probably not total peace but the end of what’s happening now and the end of hamas control in Gaza.

Totally the opposite. Every bomb, every death- means that more 'terrorists' are made, day by day. If they continue to be killed, and those who survive are forced out without a right to return- peace will never happen, and the retaliation against Israel will be huge. And probably will take us all down with them.

Do you really think that those who are forced out will just go and live elsewhere (where???) peacefully with peace and joy in their heart. And do you really think that other Arab Muslims in the region will accept what has happened, and be ready to live and let live in a Palestine which was created by 50000 + of deaths, bombs, torture, and worse - and live around in Peace?

If you do believe this, you are extremely naïve and totally out of touch with the realities of the Middle East.

Where do I say that Gazans should be forced out?
As for other Arab Muslims in the region, they don’t want Palestinians coming to live in their countries.
I actually said, as opposed to whatever you choose to think I said that there won’t be total peace ( terrorists pop up like mushrooms) but this conflict will end, Gaza will be rebuilt and hamas will have no more political clout there.I didn’t say it would be Paradise on earth.

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Anniebach

The BBC documentary come to mind

You mean the Film which won an Oscar for being the best Documentary of the year? Did you watch it btw?

Oh yes, the film pulled by the BBC as it was made by a film company that paid a hamas family.The boy’s father and other family members.So totally true and unbiased.[

Anniebach these questions are being asked in The Times of Israel and pretty much every other newspaper. Are you suggesting that they are also trying to excuse the vile actions of Hamas on 07/10?

So true Claremont

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Anniebach

How can there be peace in Gaza ? Hamas rules Gaza , Palestinians voted them in

There are two sides to the story Anniebach, but you seem to have a permanent monocle, so you just block out the other side.

No discussion can continue to take place when this happens, sadly.

But one thing is sure, it won't end in peace for Israel.

Yes, the one that won an Oscar for best documentary or the year and has been watched by millions across the world.

And I am quite sure that you have not watched it either.

Quote Claremont Sun 23-Mar-25 11:07:38
Anniebach
The BBC documentary come to mind
You mean the Film which won an Oscar for being the best Documentary of the year? Did you watch it btw?

The Documentary starring children of Hamas government officials which the BBC quickly removed and which some celebrities demanded the BBC played. You supported it being
showed and put Miriam Margolyes forward as one celebrity supporting it being an example

foxie clearly said "Nothing and I repeat, absolutely nothing excuses the vile inhuman massacre of Israelis by Hamas."

she's repeating questions being asked in Israel.

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Aveline

There will never be peace there.

Probably not total peace but the end of what’s happening now and the end of hamas control in Gaza.

Totally the opposite. Every bomb, every death- means that more 'terrorists' are made, day by day. If they continue to be killed, and those who survive are forced out without a right to return- peace will never happen, and the retaliation against Israel will be huge. And probably will take us all down with them.

Do you really think that those who are forced out will just go and live elsewhere (where???) peacefully with peace and joy in their heart. And do you really think that other Arab Muslims in the region will accept what has happened, and be ready to live and let live in a Palestine which was created by 50000 + of deaths, bombs, torture, and worse - and live around in Peace?

If you do believe this, you are extremely naïve and totally out of touch with the realities of the Middle East.

Not only not acting on information received by Israel before 7 October but why if these terrible assaults happened at dawn did it take until midday before the Israeli army actually arrived at the scene. Many hours later. Too late. They must have had hundreds of calls from the victims about what was going on.

You are excusing the Hamas attack by suggesting deaths were the fault of the Israeli Army and Israeli Government

Anniebach

The BBC documentary come to mind

You mean the Film which won an Oscar for being the best Documentary of the year? Did you watch it btw?

Headlines in the Telegraph this morning, suggest Israel is heading towards a constitutional crisis. The removal of Ronen Bar by Netanyahu and his attempt to blame him for failing to act on the intelligence received prior to the 07/10 attack is not being accepted by the tens of thousands of Israelis who are out protesting and nor should it! Many of us here have consistently posted evidence that Netanyahu had deliberately allowed Hamas to become stronger because he wanted a counter balance to Fatah, we also posted about the intelligence that had been received that Hamas was preparing some sort of attack, we've also questioned why the music festival was moved at short notice nearer to the border with Gaza and why troops had been moved from that area to the West Bank. We've also pointed out the length of time it took for the IDF to get to the site of the attacks.
Nothing and I repeat, absolutely nothing excuses the vile inhuman massacre of Israelis by Hamas. However, there are many unanswered questions about why this horrible event happened, why they were able to kill and abduct so many innocent people and why Netanyahu is refusing to answer questions about what he knew. Removing the head of Shin Bet and trying to put the blame of him is not convincing many Israelis and it certainly doesn't convince me.
By all means call me a conspiracy theorist, if you do I am in very good company!

Annie, reports from The Lebanon do (and did in the longer conflict) do have press checks. Separate from Gaza.

I do find your constant response to numbers of dead or injured in Gaza "its Hamas" figures as "invented". Clearly , whatever the exact figures, thousands and thousands have died. Why deny this?

The BBC documentary come to mind

The Met Office would not have access to that information if it was forbidden to report on it, would it?

Israel can't have it both ways. Forbid independent reporters and checks, and at the same time say that reports given are not correct!

Wyllow first reports from Lebanon so I included it because I
Am wary of reports from Health Ministry after constant reports from Hamas,if Hamas stated rain is wet I would ask
The Met Office to confirm it

Annie, by what good reason are you not prepared to believe the Lebanon Health Ministry?

As long as Israel forbids independent journalists and independent checkers, we will have to rely on their information. It is not tenable to refuse to believe their reports and figures, and at the same time forbid independents to do so.

Annie, when you send massive bombs meant to destroy huge concrete buildings, on refugee tents- they kill women and children. They burn them alive, and if they are lucky they are killed by the blast first.

Your total and absolute denial is truly confusing and unbelievable. And really worrying.