Why resist it?

I think by trying to appeal to the minority, they are failing the majority.

On what grounds are they resisting this very sensible advice?

Seems mad to ignore advice. It’s very easy and I’ve actually had it on a form very recently - I was asked my current preferred gender and my gender at birth.

I haven’t transitioned, but like to think I would not be offended by this.

Cannot remember exact words, it could have been biological sex at birth!

It's like some sort of collective madness.

Owen Jones was waffling on earlier (on Jeremy Vine) about how it was difficult for transmen to respond to invitations for cervical smears as they are aimed at women. Well, of course they are - women have cervixes, however they 'identify', and men do not. I don't see what's 'difficult' about that, but I'm a simple soul.

Doodledog

It's like some sort of collective madness.

Owen Jones was waffling on earlier (on Jeremy Vine) about how it was difficult for transmen to respond to invitations for cervical smears as they are aimed at women. Well, of course they are - women have cervixes, however they 'identify', and men do not. I don't see what's 'difficult' about that, but I'm a simple soul.

I’m clearly simple! Why would a transitioned male to female even need a smear test? They don’t have the requisite internal “bits”

They can just call up or respond with this explanation?

Cossy

Cannot remember exact words, it could have been biological sex at birth!

It was probably 'gender assigned at birth', which is another nonsense. Sex is observed, not 'assigned', and 'gender' is just a social construct which has nothing to do with anyone except you (or whoever the form applies to). It doesn't alter someone's biology, and shouldn't give them special status.

Cossy

Doodledog

It's like some sort of collective madness.

Owen Jones was waffling on earlier (on Jeremy Vine) about how it was difficult for transmen to respond to invitations for cervical smears as they are aimed at women. Well, of course they are - women have cervixes, however they 'identify', and men do not. I don't see what's 'difficult' about that, but I'm a simple soul.

I’m clearly simple! Why would a transitioned male to female even need a smear test? They don’t have the requisite internal “bits”

They can just call up or respond with this explanation?

Cossy transmen are women who identify as men, so they would have a cervix and all other womanly bits

This resistance is simply adding to the stupidity we have already witnessed by allowing this to happen in the first place.

Anyone who is trans potentially putting themselves at risk in terms of their health is one thing, but society potentially being put at risk because a perpetrators previous convictions have effectively disappeared because those were recorded by their biological sex and the name they had at the time, is another entirely.

You cannot change sex and what we are seeing now is because this misguided belief wasn't shut down as soon as it started.

I thought Wes streeting had just announced that he accepted the report which confirmed the importance of recognising biological sex in terms of patient safety. He tweeted that just a few hours ago.

What about in the case of previous criminal convictions though which IMO is a far more important issue.

I don't know if it still happens but NHS would call transwomen for breast and cervical screening and transmen would not be called.
Clearly a problem for transmen who could develop those cancers.

Well there's nothing to stop transmen self-referring for cervical screening, and if they have any sense they'll understand the need and do so.
They're the one that's at risk if they don't 🤷

Doodledog

It's like some sort of collective madness.

Owen Jones was waffling on earlier (on Jeremy Vine) about how it was difficult for transmen to respond to invitations for cervical smears as they are aimed at women. Well, of course they are - women have cervixes, however they 'identify', and men do not. I don't see what's 'difficult' about that, but I'm a simple soul.

😆

Galaxy

I thought Wes streeting had just announced that he accepted the report which confirmed the importance of recognising biological sex in terms of patient safety. He tweeted that just a few hours ago.

Really? Will have watch out for future pronouncements, I was horrified to read about the NHS and police putting preferred gender rather than biological sex.It totally skews stats for everything quite apart from being utter piffle.

Galaxy

I thought Wes streeting had just announced that he accepted the report which confirmed the importance of recognising biological sex in terms of patient safety. He tweeted that just a few hours ago.

Yes, he did. and I agree with him, there has to be recording of birth biological facts as well as gender questions. No doubt on this one.
Prof Sullivan is of this POV..

"The review, led by Alice Sullivan, a professor of sociology and research specialist at University College London, said guidance should be updated to make sure both sets of data were recorded in a clear and distinct way

“What I’ve argued in this report is that sex is really important, we should be recording it by default – transgender and gender diverse identities can also be recorded where that’s appropriate.
“There’s no reason to see this as a trade-off between the two. They’re two distinct variables.”

“A spokesperson for the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology said: “This government is clear that the collection of accurate and relevant data is vital in research and the operation of effective public services, particularly when it comes to sex.

“We are grateful to Prof Sullivan for her work, which has been shared with relevant government departments and public organisations, including the ONS.”

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/20/uk-data-recording-biological-sex-gender-identity-report

Here is the tweet word for word

"Wes Streeting
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The Sullivan Review underlines the importance of recording biological sex - not just for research and insight, but also patient safety.

Doing so does not prevent us from recording, recognising and respecting people’s gender identity where these differ.

We’ll act on findings.

The Guardian have a nerve. I will never forgive their misogyny on this issue.

There is also a problem about blindingly accepting this idea of a gender identity. I don't have a gender identity. I have a sex, the rest is my personality.

Galaxy

The Guardian have a nerve. I will never forgive their misogyny on this issue.

I accept that Galaxy and do agree with what you have said on the past, however on this point they have just given the news and its not behind a paywall. Some papers have ignored the bit where Prof Sullivan has suggested both need recording.

GG13 Of course, I was only thinking of Make to Female, it’s what seems to cause the most “fuss” and “issues”

Apologies

(I did actually go back and read articles after points you have made on the Guardian, Galaxy - there you go, it doesn't fall on deaf ears)

I am not having a go at you Wyllow so sorry if it seemed that way. I always wondered what would happen when the dam broke so to speak and everyone realised oh crikey what are we doing. I get very cross with institutions such as the Guardian who made the lives of female journalists hell for expressing a gender critical point of view. I understand that the whole point of the feminist campaign was to get people to change but by crikey it is hard to forgive

Thank you for saying that Wyllow I appreciate that.
Wes Streeting initially fell for the gender madness but he listened, changed his mind and I have a lot of time for him. If ever i announce I am forgiving Owen Jones you need to send out for help.