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Ooh-la-la, there seems to be a lot of this going on in Fance!

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escaped Mon 31-Mar-25 13:54:53

Marine Le Pen has been given a four year jail sentence for embezzlement. Her sentence will be suspended for two years with the remaining time spent fitted with an electronic bracelet, (probably not Dior)! She has also has been banned from standing at the next election.

Casdon Mon 31-Mar-25 18:36:22

There is nothing in the reputable British press about this either Mamie, I’ve just had a good look. All I can see is outrage and stitch up claims from the right, including Elon Musk. According to the reports here there is very clear evidence that EU funds were embezzled.

Wyllow3 Mon 31-Mar-25 18:47:20

I wondered if Musk would stick his nose in. He hasn't been in touch with the French right as much as say Germany.

Pot, kettle black, etc. 😂

Allira Mon 31-Mar-25 23:13:13

France has prosecuted two ex-presidents, Jacques Chirac and Nicolas Sarkozy, as well as former prime minister François Fillon on charges ranging from campaign finance violations to embezzlement.
Also Alain Juppe.

escaped Mon 31-Mar-25 23:30:26

I'm sure I remember Christine Lagarde being convicted too. About 10 years ago?

Crossstitchfan Tue 01-Apr-25 00:04:35

TerriBull

oh la la! une erreur! class classe

Quelle dommage !!

Crossstitchfan Tue 01-Apr-25 00:09:05

Oops, I mean, of course, quel domage (I think).
Long time since I was at school!

escaped Tue 01-Apr-25 08:18:24

You were right first time with spelling dommage Crossstitchfan. It's two m's. And yes, masculine. Quel dommage.

Lovetopaint037 Tue 01-Apr-25 08:54:36

AuntieE

Nice to hear there are still countries where those convicted of crimes cannot stand in elections!

Exactly what I thought. AuntieE

ronib Tue 01-Apr-25 10:00:26

Nice to hear that judges can determine who stands as a presidential candidate? Or not?

Wyllow3 Tue 01-Apr-25 10:15:43

Nice to think politicians face the same laws as everyone else
Simple.

Wyllow3 Tue 01-Apr-25 10:17:15

Criticism from far right parties in Europe this morning reported plus of course the USA, who since they have a convicted felon as president, would say that, wouldn't they?

ronib Tue 01-Apr-25 10:17:24

But do they Wyllow3?

Casdon Tue 01-Apr-25 10:18:10

You sometimes say the strangest things ronib. Who else would decide?

Wyllow3 Tue 01-Apr-25 10:29:26

ronib

But do they Wyllow3?

Yes. He was convicted on 24 counts last year. Sentencing was an unconditional discharge in January but that is still a guilty verdict.

In the UK we have been very strict about offences and suitability for being even an ordinary MP. This is right and proper.

growstuff Tue 01-Apr-25 10:47:07

ronib

Nice to hear that judges can determine who stands as a presidential candidate? Or not?

I believe they should. The law is above politics and judges are the upholders of the rule of law.

escaped Tue 01-Apr-25 11:30:34

I agree, we live in a world now where we want more transparency, especially on how money is spent.
I do have a tiny bit of sympathy with Le Pen, whilst not defending her, as the French have always been masters at bending the rules! There must have been many more such goings on in the EU too.

Jaberwok Tue 01-Apr-25 11:53:39

This could well have enhanced her party, lots of people are not happy with this, considering others have been guilty and got away with it. The French state may not want her, but, as in the US, that doesn't mean the French people don't! Why the comments in French? Surely not to prove a bilingual point??!!

Wyllow3 Tue 01-Apr-25 11:56:51

The statistics on the judgement roughly follow the level of the party's support or otherwise.

Wyllow3 Tue 01-Apr-25 11:57:09

(in the BBC article on it)

Wyllow3 Tue 01-Apr-25 11:59:06

escaped

I agree, we live in a world now where we want more transparency, especially on how money is spent.
I do have a tiny bit of sympathy with Le Pen, whilst not defending her, as the French have always been masters at bending the rules! There must have been many more such goings on in the EU too.

Now this has happened its open for prosecutions of other politicians too? So a good thing.

spabbygirl Tue 01-Apr-25 13:50:53

Wyllow3

ronib

But do they Wyllow3?

Yes. He was convicted on 24 counts last year. Sentencing was an unconditional discharge in January but that is still a guilty verdict.

In the UK we have been very strict about offences and suitability for being even an ordinary MP. This is right and proper.

the rules aren't that strict, newly elected Reform MP James McMurdock has been jailed for assaulting his girlfriend.

It doesn't seem right that Mike Amesbury left his MP post for assaulting someone whilst McMurdock still stands.

Reform certainly attract some colourful people. I don't suppose LePen's appeal will come to much, the evidence must be in the accounts

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/who-is-james-mcmurdock-reform-mp-jailed-assault-378884/

GrannyGravy13 Tue 01-Apr-25 14:02:36

spabbygirl I think the difference is that Mr.Murdock assaulted (they argued and he pushed her which resulted in her falling over according to your link) happened 20 years ago when he was 19 years old.

He was not an MP at the time, he was elected in 2024.

I do not condone violence whether it be man on man, man on woman, woman on man or woman on woman.

Mr Amesbury was an MP at the time when he punched a man to the ground, and continued to assault him whilst the man was in the ground.

growstuff Tue 01-Apr-25 14:08:53

Jaberwok

This could well have enhanced her party, lots of people are not happy with this, considering others have been guilty and got away with it. The French state may not want her, but, as in the US, that doesn't mean the French people don't! Why the comments in French? Surely not to prove a bilingual point??!!

Surely you're not suggesting that upholding the law should be swayed by a populist vote. That's vigilantism.

spabbygirl Tue 01-Apr-25 14:12:05

GrannyGravy13

spabbygirl I think the difference is that Mr.Murdock assaulted (they argued and he pushed her which resulted in her falling over according to your link) happened 20 years ago when he was 19 years old.

He was not an MP at the time, he was elected in 2024.

I do not condone violence whether it be man on man, man on woman, woman on man or woman on woman.

Mr Amesbury was an MP at the time when he punched a man to the ground, and continued to assault him whilst the man was in the ground.

I see what you mean GrannyGravy13, it would put me off voting for him and that is probably why Reform didn't speak about the offence albeit 20yrs ago prior to the election.

mind you I wouldn't vote for reform ever, Farage wants an insurance based NHS and that would put me off for starters

Casdon Tue 01-Apr-25 14:20:08

Jaberwok

This could well have enhanced her party, lots of people are not happy with this, considering others have been guilty and got away with it. The French state may not want her, but, as in the US, that doesn't mean the French people don't! Why the comments in French? Surely not to prove a bilingual point??!!

Surely only the people who haven’t understood the scale of the embezzlement would ever vote for her again. It wasn’t a small scale error of judgement. Knowing misappropriation of funds meant for a clearly defined other purpose is a serious criminal act, whichever way you look at it, and whoever did it. I don’t understand why anybody would want to vote for anybody who had done that, how could you ever trust them to be honest in public office?