Now Trump is targeting the U.K. with tarriffs how should Sir Keir handle a response?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I don’t know Wyllow.

More voters in America went for Trump than Kamala Harris.
They knew what Trump had in mind …short term pain for long term gain. He said it often enough!

He also said he was going to end the war in Ukraine as soon as he was elected. He’s just a big bag of wind. And how many times has he been bankrupt? I don’t recall him saying anything about short term pain?All I heard was ‘make America great again’.

He is going the right way to make the USA a pariah

I agree

FriedGreenTomatoes2 could you please paste a link to the table for Feb 2025 which you quote a part of ?

Sincet is in exactly the same format as the one for 2024 which I have copied and pasted in its entirety I would like to see whether it has an entry for the Total exports from this country to the EU and compare it to those for 2024.

Ah! I see that your quote was from a table relating to 2023.

The stitches in my eyelid must be interfering with my vision.

Trumps "table he held up was grossly misleading. The EU, for example, was named a 39% and Trump made a big deal of being kind and only responding with 20%. but in fact the EU tariffs vary greatly, some well under 20%.

Its going to get complicated as to how we respond to tariffs, becuase if other countries then change their tariffs it could affect us as well. On the whole I think Starmer is taking "best options" in continuing discussions with he US whilst not ruling out any other actions should the situation demand it.

Todays timelines in both BBC and Guardian (they aren't anywhere else accessible) report they have set aside the next month to consult with all interested parties- ie business and other stakeholders -it the beginning not the end of a story really.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I don’t know Wyllow.

More voters in America went for Trump than Kamala Harris.
They knew what Trump had in mind …short term pain for long term gain. He said it often enough!

Americans, over 18, who could have voted: 260 million

Americans who did not vote: 108 million

Harris votes: 74.4 million

trump votes: 76.9 million

It wasn't a landslide, he lied and some believed him.

mokryna

It has been said that these tariffs have been decide by a ChatBox calculation.
Those countries which export the most have the highest tariffs, eg Vietnam, therefore, the UK which does not export much to the US has a lower one

Well it looks unhinged - the US has imposed tariffs on some uninhabited Antarctic islands populated only by penguins - with zero exports to the US

Does Trump accept payments in fish?

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/donald-trump-tariffs-antarctica-uninhabited-heard-mcdonald-islands

Anyone know how this will affect NI?

So

Under the UK’s post-Brexit settlement with the EU, Northern Ireland remains part of the UK’s customs territory, but has to apply EU customs and other goods-related laws. This arrangement, now referred to as the Windsor Framework, means there is no ‘hard’ border on the island of Ireland and no customs or regulatory controls on goods moving between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which is part of the EU’s customs territory.
If the US targets EU goods for further tariffs while sparing the UK, differences in the tariff rates applied to EU and UK goods may have important implications for Northern Ireland.

Churchview

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well 10% for the UK, 20% for the EU.
Put that on the side of a bus. 😁

Makes you wonder what he wants from the UK in return.

It can't just be tea with the King can it?

Good question.

I actually do think the US [well the political people] do regard us as a "special friend", personally.

And I wouldnt put it past Trump, that he would very much enjoy his tea with the King.

I know some Canadians,
I couldnt beleive how in awe and wonder they are of our Royal Family.
Yes I know Trump is not Canadian.

I know some Canadians who aren’t. I think “awe and wonder” a tad over egging the pudding.

Not the ones I know!
Though of course that hardly equates to every Canadian.

Norah

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I don’t know Wyllow.

More voters in America went for Trump than Kamala Harris.
They knew what Trump had in mind …short term pain for long term gain. He said it often enough!

Americans, over 18, who could have voted: 260 million

Americans who did not vote: 108 million

Harris votes: 74.4 million

trump votes: 76.9 million

It wasn't a landslide, he lied and some believed him.

And the third of Eli glue voters who didn’t bother will likely be the most vociferous! Often the way!

Trump is doing only what he promised, what did you think 'America First' meant Ursula vd Leyen? He just isn't interested in your federalist protection racket.

Elegran

FriedGreenTomatoes2 could you please paste a link to the table for Feb 2025 which you quote a part of ?

Sincet is in exactly the same format as the one for 2024 which I have copied and pasted in its entirety I would like to see whether it has an entry for the Total exports from this country to the EU and compare it to those for 2024.

It was 2025 at the last line?

fancythat

Churchview

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well 10% for the UK, 20% for the EU.
Put that on the side of a bus. 😁

Makes you wonder what he wants from the UK in return.

It can't just be tea with the King can it?

Good question.

I actually do think the US [well the political people] do regard us as a "special friend", personally.

And I wouldnt put it past Trump, that he would very much enjoy his tea with the King.

I know some Canadians,
I couldnt beleive how in awe and wonder they are of our Royal Family.
Yes I know Trump is not Canadian.

Makes you wonder what he wants from the UK in return.

Scotland, or large chunks of it.

He said nothing about annexing Greenland, Canada and Panama though.

How does that work in your support for him FGT?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^The end result of reciprocal tariffs will be that the American consumers will pay more^

But what’s the alternative as far as America is concerned?
Just continue in being taken for a ride? Have you seen the size of some of these global protectionist tariffs? They are eye watering to say the least.

Surely no one can blame Trump from saying ‘enough’?
I don’t think it’s childish.
I think he’s just had enough.

Remember, these are reciprocal tariffs!

Reciprical tarrifs, if I am understanding things correctly.

In each case, the US is the same as a Country or sometimes considerably less?

It wouldnt copy and paste. The appropraite bit is about half way down thias link.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14567049/moment-trump-ally-victoria-derbyshire-kindergartner-tariffs-interview.html

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Norah

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I don’t know Wyllow.

More voters in America went for Trump than Kamala Harris.
They knew what Trump had in mind …short term pain for long term gain. He said it often enough!

Americans, over 18, who could have voted: 260 million

Americans who did not vote: 108 million

Harris votes: 74.4 million

trump votes: 76.9 million

It wasn't a landslide, he lied and some believed him.

And the third of Eli glue voters who didn’t bother will likely be the most vociferous! Often the way!

Trump is doing only what he promised, what did you think 'America First' meant Ursula vd Leyen? He just isn't interested in your federalist protection racket.

Eli Glue voters? Federalist protection racket?

FGT So was your partial quote from a 2023 table or a 2025 one? You may think I am splitting hairs here, but if you do quote from an official source, it does matter that you quote accurately and don't cherry-pick.

Smileless2012

I don't understand why Trump or anyone else believes that America has been 'taken for a ride', 'used and abused' etc. There's always been the option for the USA to impose tarrifs on countries who've imposed them on America.

It's not as if America couldn't have done this decades ago or am I missing something here?

I don't understand it either. I don't understand why it's "Liberation Day" either. Liberation from what? For the American people, it's the opposite - it's having an import tax imposed on the goods they want to buy from abroad.

I genuinely think we are living in an "upside down world", where lies are seen as truth.

Whitewavemark2

He said nothing about annexing Greenland, Canada and Panama though.

How does that work in your support for him FGT?

Probably bluffing. To early to tell.
He wants something though….
Negotiations probably in due course. We will have to wait and see.

‘Liberation’ from Biden and the Democrats springs to mind. He’s doing things differently which is why voters made him POTUS I suppose. They’d had enough of being lied to ‘Biden's health is not a concern’ etc.

To give you a clear picture of the UK's trade percentage with
* In 2023, the EU accounted for:
* 42% of all UK exports.
* 52% of all UK imports.

In the same year our exports to America were 15.3% (imports 10%)

Info from ONS

*With the EU rather than the individual countries