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Why the silence over the Red Crescent killings?

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Apr-25 11:01:23

Or is it too awful to contemplate?

Allira Thu 24-Apr-25 12:29:16

RosieandherMaw

From the Times this morning
Gaza paramedic killings report

A deputy commander in the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) has been sacked following an investigation into the killing of fifteen unarmed aid workers in Gaza who were found in shallow graves with bullet wounds last month
A start?

sacked

And facing charges, I hope.

Wyllow3 Thu 24-Apr-25 10:54:58

Brave Palestinians

"Anti-Hamas protests on rise in Gaza as group's iron grip slips"

"Out! Out! Out!"
The voice in the Telegram video is insistent. Loud. Sometimes musical.
And the message unambiguous.

"All of Hamas, out!"
On the streets of Gaza, more and more Palestinians are expressing open defiance against the armed group that's ruled the strip for almost 20 years.

Many hold Hamas responsible for plunging the tiny, impoverished territory into the worst crisis faced by Palestinians in more than 70 years.

"Deliver the message," another crowd chants, as it surges through Gaza's devastated streets: "Hamas is garbage."
"The world is deceived by the situation in the Gaza Strip," says Moumen al-Natour, a Gaza lawyer and former political prisoner who's long been a vocal critic of Hamas.
Al-Natour spoke to us from the shattered remains of his city, the flimsy canvas side of the tent which now forms part of his house billowing behind him.

"The world thinks that Gaza is Hamas and Hamas is Gaza," he said. "We didn't choose Hamas and now Hamas is determined to rule Gaza and tie our fate to its own. Hamas must retreat. "
Speaking out is dangerous. Hamas has never tolerated dissent. Al-Natour seems undaunted, writing a furious column for the Washington Post at the end of March.

Time for the world to take notice and demand changes in the current Israeli regimes policy.

RosieandherMaw Mon 21-Apr-25 07:49:26

From the Times this morning
Gaza paramedic killings report

A deputy commander in the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) has been sacked following an investigation into the killing of fifteen unarmed aid workers in Gaza who were found in shallow graves with bullet wounds last month
A start?

Wyllow3 Mon 21-Apr-25 00:42:17

They're not even claiming there was evidence of Hamas anymore.

"Israel had originally claimed troops opened fire because the convoy approached "suspiciously" in darkness without headlights or flashing lights"

Sarnia Sun 20-Apr-25 22:27:11

JenniferEccles

The BBC news is reporting that six of the casualties were Hamas operatives.

This is what Israel is up against.

It is Israel's constant excuse whenever they blow innocent civilians to smithereens that Hamas were hiding amongst them.
If one poor aid worker hadn't filmed this atrocity on his phone the world would probably never know what happened. Burying the vehicles and telling lies after lie then saying they suspected Hamas operatives to be in the trucks as if that makes it all ok. It doesn't.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 20-Apr-25 22:23:32

The fact that the commander has been disciplined after the IDF were found out by the world shows a level of guilt I would have thought.

Wyllow3 Sun 20-Apr-25 22:19:24

Cross check if you dont believe

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-review-into-killing-gaza-aid-workers-found-professional-2025-04-20/#:~:text=The%2015%20paramedics%20and%20other,and%20the%20Palestinian%20Red%20Crescent.

Wyllow3 Sun 20-Apr-25 22:17:32

JenniferEccles

The BBC news is reporting that six of the casualties were Hamas operatives.

This is what Israel is up against.

No, the IDF attacked them because they claimed they were Hamas

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c24q6201d8yo

JenniferEccles Sun 20-Apr-25 22:10:10

The BBC news is reporting that six of the casualties were Hamas operatives.

This is what Israel is up against.

MayBee70 Sun 20-Apr-25 20:01:25

Smileless2012

No apology, no regret and no accountability either angry.

Nothing new there then. Same old. Same old. sad angry

Smileless2012 Sun 20-Apr-25 19:39:41

No apology, no regret and no accountability either angry.

AGAA4 Sun 20-Apr-25 19:36:18

There have been a lot of lies told in the account of what happened by the IDF. They have found a scapegoat and dismissed him so that's alright then.

Wyllow3 Sun 20-Apr-25 18:49:53

News on the Red Cresent killings.

"The Israeli military has said an "operational misunderstanding" and a "breach of orders" led to the killing of 15 emergency workers in Gaza last month.

An inquiry into the incident by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) found a series of failings.

The deputy commander of the unit involved has been dismissed "for providing an incomplete and inaccurate report during the debrief".

And thats it folks. Do I hear a an apology or "Regret"?

(Fourteen emergency workers and a UN worker were killed on 23 March after a convoy of Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS) ambulances, a UN car and a fire truck came under fire by the Israeli military.)

(BBC)

Smileless2012 Sun 20-Apr-25 13:20:09

I suppose for as long as the world is prepared to stand by and do nothing about it Wyllow.

Wyllow3 Sun 20-Apr-25 12:25:17

How long does the world have to see these appalling daily pictures?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 20-Apr-25 10:10:55

A mother with her boys after yesterdays bombings

Wyllow3 Thu 17-Apr-25 10:29:26

It's a very good article. As it says, it also reflects differences in the views of people in Israel itself.
It also alludes to statements from Medicin Sans Frontiere.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 17-Apr-25 10:18:32

Parsley3

BBC News - Members of British Jewish body condemn Israel's Gaza offensive
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77ndzkz778o
I have just been reading about this WWM2. I find that I don't want to take a side in this conflict as neither Israel nor Hamas get my support. However, killing aid workers and civilians under the pretence that they may be hiding terrorists is wrong.Hiding the Red Crescent bodies to cover up the act is an admission of guilt by the Israelis who were responsible. That is not a justifiable act defending Israel but a war crime. The line has to be drawn.

Yes you are right.

I have also seen that there are protests in Gaza against Hamas.

I also do not take sides, unless you count taking the sides of the children that have been killed and maimed.

That is my red line.

I will never support anyone who knowingly does harm to such innocents.

Parsley3 Thu 17-Apr-25 09:22:11

BBC News - Members of British Jewish body condemn Israel's Gaza offensive
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77ndzkz778o
I have just been reading about this WWM2. I find that I don't want to take a side in this conflict as neither Israel nor Hamas get my support. However, killing aid workers and civilians under the pretence that they may be hiding terrorists is wrong.Hiding the Red Crescent bodies to cover up the act is an admission of guilt by the Israelis who were responsible. That is not a justifiable act defending Israel but a war crime. The line has to be drawn.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 17-Apr-25 07:24:20

Members of the Board of Deputies have joined many Jews in distancing themselves from the Israeli government.

They can no longer sit by and watch genocide taking place. The violence in Gaza and the West Bank has become unbearable.

“Israel’s soul is being ripped out.”

At last!

valdavi Wed 16-Apr-25 20:37:46

Those drones must be absolutely terrifying. & there's nowhere in Gaza that could be a relatively safe area for pregnant women & mums with babies. They're all jammed in there in the line of fire.It's so horrible.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 16-Apr-25 18:54:08

Little Malek born a year ago. Lost his life yesterday on his way to his routine vaccination with his dad.

Israeli drones.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 15-Apr-25 14:57:14

Israelis are being refused entry to The Maldives.

A Muslim country making a stand. I suspect that there will be others.

Wyllow3 Mon 14-Apr-25 19:37:31

I thought the answer would be straightforward Maremia but what we do is licence what is to me a huge amount of arms but I don't know who pays for them. Maybe someone else is better than me on this. We have stopped a proportion of them under the Labour Government presumably those that are likely to do most harm to civilians? But its like we are de facto giving permission on the arms sales.

A notable change has been that after the bombardment of Gaza had gone on and on, Labour agreed the UK would join calling out Netanyahu for war crimes under the ICC.

We do give very substantial aid to Gaza "For 2024/25, the UK has committed £129 million".

Policy is still a 2 State solution which - well - is it possible anymore? In theory, we were arming Israel for it to protect itself against Hamas and others but supporting Palestinians through aid.

Wyllow3 Mon 14-Apr-25 19:00:57

It's sharing concerns and updates with others rather than an echo chamber - probably read by more than post, valuable in its own way.