Grooming gangs. Labour absolutely stink

As I have said no way do we avoid this but "Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

Parts of the press continue to focus on one group only and this clouds our picture of the whole issue and we need to tackle that.

However Wyllow3 it has to be said that those men targeting childrens homes in Northern towns and cities and elsewhere too are predominantly Asian of Pakistani heritage.
Treating these in care girls as their personal pleasure grounds.
The young girls, and maybe boys are vulnerable to what seems like affection and adult attention at first, with men giving them compliments and gifts.It makes me sick to my stomach that it has gone on and is still going on.

Re Naz Shah - unfounded allegations

From Full Fact: "Naz Shah did not say quote about grooming gangs"
"In 2020, Ms Shah successfully sued the campaigning group Leave.EU after it called her a “grooming gang apologist” in a 2019 Facebook post. The group apologised and accepted Ms Shah was a "vociferous campaigner for victims of grooming gangs", said their post was “ill-judged and untrue” and paid her damages for libel. "

All grooming gangs and all other incidents of child abuse should be investigated whatever their background. It has been recognised the appalling over ups of the past, and reasonable to debate here what can now be done,

but the obsession of continually to focusing on one race group only in the present, is politically motivated and prevents recognition of the breadth of the problems being discussed in tackling abuse crime against women and children.

Oreo

But Iam64 the police, social workers and teachers who knew it was going on felt either uncomfortable or intimidated in pushing things precisely because of the worry of perceived racism given that the men were mainly of Pakistani heritage.
Are we going to let that continue?

That honestly was not my experience. I’m not disputing what the Jay report concluded. of course abuse should be investigated whatever the background of offenders or victims.

Sexual abuse of children (and women) dates back as far as we have evidence.

Isn’t this something we need to talk about more -

I am sick to my stomach at the abuse I have read on here directed at me.
My comment was clumsy but I don't deserve the back lash.

Have a nice day.

As, btw it still is going on.

But Iam64 the police, social workers and teachers who knew it was going on felt either uncomfortable or intimidated in pushing things precisely because of the worry of perceived racism given that the men were mainly of Pakistani heritage.
Are we going to let that continue?

I strangely enough couldnt care less whether she is a champion of the right or not. I think the right have as much right to speak as anyone else. Maggie Oliver is I think a difficult women, they are the ones who tend to get things done.
It's fine to like or not like Maggie Oliver.

Cumbrianmale56

I can remember the Labour MP Naz Shah in the last decade condemning investigations into Muslim grooming gangs as it was bad for " diversity". This obsession with political correctness / diversity meant the police and social services were afraid to investigate grooming gangs in Rotherham, for fear of being called racist.

Wasn’t or isn’t Naz Shah the Bradford MP shamed for indulging in antisemitic online comments years ago? Bradford has been named in this latest grooming debacle where men are targeting a childrens home and collecting young girls from it.
Appalling that it’s still going on.

Good post there glasshalffullagain. I’m also more interested and impressed by Nazir Afzal and other professionals involved in ensuring the investigation and prosecution of men who abuse children is more effectively managed

In the late 1990’s, area officers and senior managers in GMP were well aware there was a force wide problem with the organised abuse of vulnerable children by men of largely Pakistani Muslim heritage. At no time did I ever hear the ethnicity as an excuse for not arresting and prosecuting. Resources and the difficulty in successful prosecutions when the children refused to co-operate or would be viewed by juries as unreliable witnesses was central

It was indefensible. Maggie Oliver wasn’t the only police officer raising this, along with teachers, sw, health and probation staff.

Allira

Maggie Oliver is concerned more about the wellbeing of abused girls than of her own reputation, unlike many who failed to investigate these horrors.

To try to claim that she is a champion of the right is quite shocking but reflects the thinking of those in a system which allowed this to continue for fear of accusations of racism.

Spot on 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

What hideous and spiteful comments I have woken up to this morning.

Let's remember who started this discussion.

It goes without saying that any sane human being would be appalled at the abuse of young girls. It's a discussion which is emotive and complex.I am interested in the words of Nazir Afsal, less so those of Maggie Oliver.
I believe there must be other brave professionals who fought and contine to fight for this stuff to be exposed and stopped.

I think it's utterly stomch turning the way it has been hijacked by the likes of Stephn Yaxley Lennon and Elon Musk.

Thank you for clarification fancythat.

Maggie Oliver is concerned more about the wellbeing of abused girls than of her own reputation, unlike many who failed to investigate these horrors.

To try to claim that she is a champion of the right is quite shocking but reflects the thinking of those in a system which allowed this to continue for fear of accusations of racism.

That was to Wyllow3

I was nt meaning her at all.
She seemed to be doing well from what I read.

Doodledog

This thread is getting personal and nasty. Ignorance? pity?

This is not a discussion, and I really can't be bothered. GN is not what it was.

I’m sorry if my words offend you but anyone who slags off Maggie Oliver is ignorant and to be pitied.

What is there in what Jess Phillips said that indicated "going softly on the issue?"
Hansard text is available to quote which bits indicate that.

This thread is getting personal and nasty. Ignorance? pity?

This is not a discussion, and I really can't be bothered. GN is not what it was.

Doodledog

fancythat

Now it is being called "afraid to upset community relations" by the sounds of things.

What is?

The Telegraph said it, Trevor Phillips said it and posters on here are saying it. a reason to go softly softly on the issue.

Primrose53

glasshalffullagain

I'm sick of hearing about her tbh. She seems to have ended up being some sort of champion of the right wing. Surely other intelligent people are on board with this? Nazir Afsal for one.

What a dreadful thing to say!!!

Maggie Oliver has done and is still doing (through The Maggie Oliver Foundation) more for these poor little girls than anyone.
She has worked tirelessly to try to get these vile men convicted and imprisoned for their disgusting crimes. Police, social workers, teachers and others in authority turned a blind eye but she never gave up.

She resigned from the Police in disgust but has never stopped caring for these girls.

I have taken a screenshot of your comments about her.

We must be kind to members who post this shite.
It comes from a place of ignorance.
We must pity them. Not easy, I know 🤷‍♀️

I have taken a screenshot of your comments about her.

For what?

Primrose53

Iam64

Except Anna8 the ethnicity of the majority of men in the so-called grooming gangs is an issue. Yes most abusers are white men and peadophiles find organisations where they flourish and find each other
I keep returning to how we investigate and make sense of the extent of csa, most of it involving men from all backgrounds

Maggie Oliver has stated publicly and on many occasions that the Police have never kept records of the ethnicity of grooming gang members. She always said this is wrong.

Only if they record the ethnicity of all child abuse crimes not just grooming gangs

to get an overall picture relating to different offences.

an accurate picture would be helpful in terms of tackling crime, but also disprove myths like that spread by Braverman in January 2025 who said nearly all grooming gangs were Pakistani, whereas a police chiefs report said

Most grooming gang offences carried out by white men, police chiefs say

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/elon-musk-npcc-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-pakistani-b2677586.html

glasshalffullagain

I'm sick of hearing about her tbh. She seems to have ended up being some sort of champion of the right wing. Surely other intelligent people are on board with this? Nazir Afsal for one.

What a dreadful thing to say!!!

Maggie Oliver has done and is still doing (through The Maggie Oliver Foundation) more for these poor little girls than anyone.
She has worked tirelessly to try to get these vile men convicted and imprisoned for their disgusting crimes. Police, social workers, teachers and others in authority turned a blind eye but she never gave up.

She resigned from the Police in disgust but has never stopped caring for these girls.

I have taken a screenshot of your comments about her.

fancythat

Now it is being called "afraid to upset community relations" by the sounds of things.

What is?