I have indeed posted to ask why this would need to impact trans people who are not TRA. I have been told several times now that TRA make trans people in general look bad!
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(955 Posts)Is this common sense at last?
From ‘The Times’ this morning
Organisations will be told that they can no longer call a space single-sex if they admit transgender people who do not have a gender recognition certificate.
Updated guidance from the equality watchdog will say that services described as being single-sex will not be able to make the claim if they also allow transgender women to use them on the basis of self-identification
Last week the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) sent ministers its updated code of practice, which guides organisations on how to apply the Equality Act. It is expected to be presented to parliament before the summer. The Times understands the recommendations include an overhaul of how single-sex spaces are defined.
A source said of the guidelines: “The upshot [of the guidance] means it's not lawful to have a self-ID service. The fact is that if you let a man in, it's no longer a single-sex service, and that includes trans people without GRCs [gender recognition certificates] .”
The change would prevent those who rely on self-ID from being able to access women-only care homes or domestic abuse refuges without an exceptional reason
My question is just why has this taken complicated legislation - and so long?
TERW as I have said on here before I have a relative engaged to a transman so am familiar with non violent transpeople. Your friend might be the next Mother Theresa but even then your friend would still be of the male sex, that hasn't changed. As we keep trying to point out all transwomen whether 'genuine' or not, safe or not, are men and have no business in female only spaces, all other areas of life knock yourself out, enjoy!
Rosie51
Re Luminance
I find your ignorance about what these well know acronyms stand for really quite unbelievable. Your unconcern at signs calling for violence against anybody is distasteful at best. I'm sure if the signs were calling for violence against TRAs you wouldn't have posted "well if you're not a TRA why is that a problem"
Strange indeed.
Listen up, I understand this topic is important but the insinuations are getting tiresome. I do not really know anyone well on gransnet yet and I am not part of any group here to cause any issues. You have my word. I am simply looking for a middle ground. Perhaps we can all agree that death threats are not ok against any person. I do know that trans people have been threatened, assaulted physically and sexually and even killed. I might not be up on the jargon but I do feel I have something to add in this discussion and would hope I am welcome to do so.
Luminance
Yes I did, I saw signs against transphobic people and TERF which I have just read is transphobic radical feminist... I'm sorry to ask but if no one here is indeed transphobic why are those signs problematic?
No it isn't 'transphobic radical feminist' it's 'trans exclusive radical feminist' It just means that transwomen aren't women which as we all know is a fact. You can't be a transwoman unless you were born male and nobody can change sex.
I find your ignorance about what these well know acronyms stand for really quite unbelievable. Your unconcern at signs calling for violence against anybody is distasteful at best. I'm sure if the signs were calling for violence against TRAs you wouldn't have posted "well if you're not a TRA why is that a problem"
There are lots of lovely men, none are allowed in female spaces, how lovely someone is, is of no interest to me.
Familiar tactic.
Luminance
Oreo yes of course, very fair to point that out. Not acceptable behaviour at all, I just thought not attacking those of us here discussing the issue.
Eh?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Luminance
I recognised it once I looked it up but no, it's not a term I am used to. So TERF is the equal opposite to TRA, do I have that correct?
No. Radical feminism is just a theory. You could be a radical feminist without leaving the house. The A on TRA stands for Activist, which means 'someone who takes action for or against a cause'.
They are very different, and one is not the opposite of the other. The opposite of a TRA would be someone who threatened transpeople, disrupted their meetings and refused to allow them anywhere to meet without non-trans people present to monitor them.
Oreo yes of course, very fair to point that out. Not acceptable behaviour at all, I just thought not attacking those of us here discussing the issue.
Luminance
Yes I did, I saw signs against transphobic people and TERF which I have just read is transphobic radical feminist... I'm sorry to ask but if no one here is indeed transphobic why are those signs problematic?
It’s always problematic if signs say ‘kill’ a certain group of people!
I recognised it once I looked it up but no, it's not a term I am used to. So TERF is the equal opposite to TRA, do I have that correct?
Luminance
Yes I did, I saw signs against transphobic people and TERF which I have just read is transphobic radical feminist... I'm sorry to ask but if no one here is indeed transphobic why are those signs problematic?
Seriously? This is getting ridiculous now. You claim to work in Mental Health, (or was it education? I can't remember), and you say you don't know what the TERF insult stands for? It's general knowledge, not niche, and anyone working in health or education will have come across it. I think you are being deliberately goady.
Mollygo
* Lathyrus3*
^I’m expecting that in a minute someone will post that the “Kill TERF” banners were actually made by feminists pretending to be trans. And that they read that somewhere.^🙄
Well someone on X posted that JKR was using India W as a pseudonym so she could get more publicity, so nothing’s to stupid to happen when TRA are desperate.
This happens all over social media on any number of issues! Accusations and conspiracy...and hate masquerading as a just cause.
Yes I did, I saw signs against transphobic people and TERF which I have just read is transphobic radical feminist... I'm sorry to ask but if no one here is indeed transphobic why are those signs problematic?
Luminance
What is TERF?
Google is your friend.
They must be fuming mustn’t they? Their take over hasn’t worked out.Hats off to Justine Roberts for refusing to be browbeaten by them and despite cowardly advertisers pulling out from MN because of their pressure she kept MN and GN a free speech site on this issue.
* Lathyrus3*
^I’m expecting that in a minute someone will post that the “Kill TERF” banners were actually made by feminists pretending to be trans. And that they read that somewhere.^🙄
Well someone on X posted that JKR was using India W as a pseudonym so she could get more publicity, so nothing’s to stupid to happen when TRA are desperate.
What is TERF?
There are some very nasty people around - men and women - whatever they call themselves. I'm not surprised you feel as you do.
I’m expecting that in a minute someone will post that the “Kill TERF” banners were actually made by feminists pretending to be trans. And that they read that somewhere.🙄
Anything rather than admit there were transwomen calling for violence and death.
The incitement to violence is why women need safe places that trans women cannot enter, so they have to pretend it didn’t happen
TERW I have had direct contact with a transwoman. She accused me incorrectly of saying something negative about her, which I definitely hadn’t. I had always been very supportive. It was my sister who made the remark.
Her threats towards me were very frightening and I am so relieved now that she is no longer alive. She was a relative of mine.
She once said to me if there was anyone I didn’t like she knew people who could GET RID of them! It was chilling.
I saw some criminal damage, no hate crimes committed, I am sure I could be wrong. Intersex people were also represented, I am sure it is a struggle for them too finding appropriate facilities and having sex assigned at birth potentially incorrectly.
Luminance
This is much wider than anything to do with transgender issues.
Hate crimes, as those demonstrated yesterday?
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