Will Trump pull out of Ukraine?

Sadly (and pragmatically finance-wise) Trump has had enough I think. 3 years of this war, haemorrhaging money. And men for the Ukraine.

Trump has bigger fish to fry.
China is his nemesis.

He will leave Ukraine to its near neighbours soon.

The Economist is reporting that countries bordering Russia are putting down land mines even though they hate their use, and have previously signed against their use.

They are clearly very worried about the way things are going.

As should we be.

I very much hope that our negotiations snd agreement with Europe over defence is successful and that we prove to be a strong and United force.

Europe is our only way forward.

NYT reporting that Putin will keep all the territory that he has illegally annexed at the cost of thousands of Ukrainian lives, who have been defending their country.

What a world we live in.

Putin will not stop there. He may decide on a temporary stop to his aggression, but who will stop him now?

Unless Trump is kept well away from the public when he visits the UK he's going to receive a very cold shoulder I imagine.

VZ has laid down his life for his country and I believe Trump will pull out of any negotiations and Putin will keep all the land he has taken from the Ukrainians. So unfair.

Trump should be banned from coming to the U.K. , but of course he won’t.

There seems to be a deliberate sidelining of talks involving Europe by Trump in order to push his agenda

"London talks between officials from the UK, France, Germany, Ukraine and the US aimed at securing a ceasefire were downgraded this week after US Secretary of State Marco Rubio and special envoy Steve Witkoff pulled out.

Instead, Trump's Ukraine envoy, Gen Keith Kellogg, is attending the talks in London and Witkoff will be headed to Russia to meet with President Vladimir Putin for the fourth time.

British diplomats said they were not entirely clear why Rubio and Witkoff had pulled out of the London talks.

The US state department blamed logistical reasons, but it was clear the decision was last-minute and left the Foreign Office wrongfooted.

(BBC I player, just up)

If Trump walks away Putin will control all of Ukraine because he knows Europe won’t be willing to commit to continuing the war - even if it could.
Even worse, with Rubio ordered back to US collapsing UK peace talks, Zelensky only has a couple of days to back down or continue without the US

It will be 10yrs before Europe gears up to matching Russia

He does not understand Zelensky because he can't be bought.

Trump keeps saying "he hasnt got any cards".

He sees to see things through a certain perspective, and if others dont see it that same way and therefore play ball, he is baffled.

Wyllow3

It does look like European countries are now going to have to make some very difficult decisions if Zelensky doesnt agree and turns to us all.

I suspect he may try this as well, which is why I asked why the US is still involved in negotiations.

I feel like Zelinsky will be asking the UK and EU for help before he agrees with what Trump is giving Putin.

War and diplomacy are tricky things. I am glad I am not the one having to make decisions about these things.

It does look like European countries are now going to have to make some very difficult decisions if Zelensky doesnt agree and turns to us all.

It's not good enough tho, is it? Losing large chunks of territory (beyond the Crimea, which probably would have to go in any negotiations), and US robbery of mineral resources - and huge amounts of power and control passing directly into US hands, amounting to what is effectively a direct US occupation. 😡

“I can't imagine Zelinksy will agree. And he shouldn't. I am not even sure why the US is even involved in negotiations any longer to be honest. Trump is so incompetent.”

Incompetent or not the facts are that Ukraine cannot continue fighting without the support of the US, that’s why the US is involved.

What Ukraine gets under Trump's proposal

"A robust security guarantee" involving an ad hoc group of European countries and potentially also like-minded non-European countries. The document is vague in terms of how this peacekeeping operation would function and does not mention any U.S. participation.

The return of the small part of Kharkiv oblast Russia has occupied.

Unimpeded passage of the Dnieper River, which runs along the front line in parts of southern Ukraine.

Compensation and assistance for rebuilding, though the document does not say where the funding will come from.

Other elements of the plan
The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant — the largest such facility in Europe — will be considered as Ukrainian territory but operated by the U.S., with electricity supplied to both Ukraine and Russia.

The document references the U.S.-Ukraine minerals deal, which Trump has said will be signed on Thursday.

www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas

I can't imagine Zelinksy will agree. And he shouldn't. I am not even sure why the US is even involved in negotiations any longer to be honest. Trump is so incompetent.

Looms like Trump has sent his "final offer" to Ukraine.

What Russia gets under Trump's proposal

"De jure" U.S. recognition of Russian control in Crimea.

"De-facto recognition" of the Russia's occupation of nearly all of Luhansk oblast and the occupied portions of Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

A promise that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. The text notes that Ukraine could become part of the European Union.

The lifting of sanctions imposed since 2014.

Enhanced economic cooperation with the U.S., particularly in the energy and industrial sectors.

I'm going to post this and be back with what Russia gets so I don't lose my post.

Trump is a nasty bit of work! I think the only way he will now support Ukraine is if Putin does something bad to HIM! He doesn’t really care about all the killed and murdered people despite mouthing sympathy. And that is unlikely to happen as Putin knows how to flatter the narcissist! Putin, via Witkoff , recently sent him a painting of him in that ‘fight’ pose after he had just dodged the bullet! Trump will have loved that! There is also talk that Putin “ has something on him” from visits to Moscow years ago. This may or may not be true, but if his sexual behaviour in the US is any indication, it’s a possibility?
He is also as someone else said a Deal Maker not a Politician. He wants land and property and minerals, etc …look at his plans for Gaza, etc. The ‘deal’ he wants Ukraine to sign giving Him and the US rights over Ukraines minerals etc, with little or no security guarantees was referred to as The Rape of Ukraine!
Nothing for them, everything for Trump. Just what he always wants! He has no empathy, never apologises, is a disgusting human being, let alone a President! So unless Putin does something heinous to TRUMP, killing thousands of innocents won’t move him, breaking treaties won’t harm him in Trumps eyes, or Zelensky signs Ukraine away to Trump and Putin to carve up between themselves I think Trump will indeed pull out of Ukraine ! He cares for NO-ONE OTHER THAN HIMSELF! Certainly not the American people, he only ran for power, money, and to stop the possibility of his being jailed, and even less for any other ‘foreign’ people. Particularly if they are black or brown! NASTY MAN!

Chocolatelovinggran

He has the attention span of a toddler. He wants it all, and he wants it now.
Long drawn out diplomacy is impossible for him to understand.

You are spot on

He has the attention span of a toddler. He wants it all, and he wants it now.
Long drawn out diplomacy is impossible for him to understand.

I think Trump has made himself look incompetent and weak by his involvement so far, after all his promises to resolve the war in a few days. So much for his diplomatic skills.

With hindsight (which is easy) NATO got it badly wrong with Ukraine we should have backed them fully from the start, when Russia was weak, now it’s too late. Trump has also got it wrong, trusting Putin to cooperate when he should have been pressuring him.

I’m very uncertain that Europe will produce an effective deterrent without the US and I’m hoping they won’t have to.

Trump has certainly given the impression that he would tire of trying to broker a deal if either side won’t properly engage in talks.

He’s not a man known for his patience is he?!

Here is the BBC I Player news on developments in the Ukraine.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpq7ywvw1lzo

too complicated to summarise despite my usual verbosity!

I do hope so Grantanow. People have been working so hard over the weekend.

Putin seems to be open to dialogue with Zelenski. A bit of hope perhaps.

The Trump Easter message is worse if you read the full version.
He will withdraw from his failure to do a deal to end the war but spin it in a way that saves him from losing face.
I am off to follow your recommended link now.

Trump thought he understood Putin. He does not understand Zelensky because he can't be bought. Putin has just taken Trump for a ride and now he has to save face by looking for something else to meddle in.

He'll soon run out of options and have to face the wrath of the American people who will eventually realise that they've been duped too.