Pope Francis died

You don't have to be religious to be a kiddy fiddler, as you put it, or a war monger either (though there are plenty who use religion falsely for their own ends)

True. I don’t think Pol Pot or Stalin to just name a couple we’re known for their religious views - yet managed to kill many thousands. Religion is seriously misused by many too - look at Trump waving a Bible while inciting fascists to riot. Look at Muslin dictators including the Taliban terrorising their own people and basically enslaving women. Look at Netanyahu claiming God is on his side while committing genocide.
There are good people who have religious faith and bad people who have religious faith. There are good and bad atheists too.

I can’t say I was shocked, having known that a man of that age had been so ill with pneumonia.
By all accounts he was a truly good man, so RIP.

I have always wished that the world leaders would listen to the Pope he has always called or reasonableness kindness and humanity. And his last message asked for peace!

Also not a Catholic, nit religious but I have huge respect for Pope Francis and am very sad on hearing that he has died. Not shocked, given how ill he has been and his age, but very sad.

We felt very saddened .. Pope Francisco was a true humanitarian, adored children and was never a racist.

Rest in Peace.
Descansa en paz.

Mooney59

Won’t mourn people who lead religious sects. All of them are the reason this world is so messed up. Kiddy fiddlers, war mongers and people dividers all. This is 2025 yet people believe their “religion” allows them to feel better than others, believe in a God! Seriously I’d lock anyone up believing their god is the god.

Mooney59 I've reported.

Catholicism is not a sect.

I don't believe your post should stand on a thread to our beloved Pope.

keepingquiet

Mooney59

Won’t mourn people who lead religious sects. All of them are the reason this world is so messed up. Kiddy fiddlers, war mongers and people dividers all. This is 2025 yet people believe their “religion” allows them to feel better than others, believe in a God! Seriously I’d lock anyone up believing their god is the god.

The Catholic church isn't a religious sect. It has been spreading the Good news for humanity for 2000 years and has over 1 billion practising members around the world, many more who consider themselves nominal members.

That doesn't include other Christian (Protestant) believers.

A sect is something easy to get into but very difficult to leave.
The Catholic Church is the opposite- very hard to get in but oh so easy to leave.

You don't have to be religious to be a kiddy fiddler, as you put it, or a war monger either (though there are plenty who use religion falsely for their own ends). I don't know what you mean by people dividers either...you don't have to be religious to insult people.

True.

A small query from a non-Catholic -
I always thought that a lady had to cover her head in the presence of the Pope?
I seem to recall Cherie Blair (and Grace Kelly?) wore mantillas.

Queen Camilla didn't.

Is this maybe old-fashioned now?

Camilla did cover her head the first time she met the Pope, I think the second visit wasn’t official

As a girl, women (and some girls) wore a "head covering" of some sort in church. In those days yes, women wore a black dress and veil to meet the Pope.

It was about modesty.

I think it was early 1900s that it came into Canon law but was revised out in the 1980s.

I think your arms (shoulders at least) and your knees have to still be covered.
(Again - modesty)

I think lots of catholics will wear a mantilla or veil out of choice.

I meant the hat thing in church was "revised out" of Canon Law.

Not very clear, sorry.

I think Cherie Blair is Catholic. Grace Kelly was.

NotSpaghetti

I think Cherie Blair is Catholic. Grace Kelly was.

Indeed - which why I wondered whether it was a Catholic 'tradition'.

Thanks!

The Pope was a very special man, he will be missed.

Learned that Pope Francis preferred a more humble way of living rather than the palatial style apartments within the Vatican

The Vatican funeral is on Saturday and many dignitaries from across the globe will be attending and I will be watching..Prince William is representing his Majesties in view of King Charles own health issues?

Charles attended the funeral of the Pope in 2005, representing his mother, the Queen.

His own wedding to Camilla was put back a day so that he could attend.

Bea65

Very offensive comment

Why?

Kamj

Bea65

Very offensive comment

Why?

This was in reference to the comment that Pope Francis was
doped up and propped up on Easter Sunday.
In my humble opinion, the comment was offensive and pretty sure he was on major pain relief for his many health issues but doped up and propped up was inappropriate to me..

NotSpaghetti

As a girl, women (and some girls) wore a "head covering" of some sort in church. In those days yes, women wore a black dress and veil to meet the Pope.

It was about modesty.

I think it was early 1900s that it came into Canon law but was revised out in the 1980s.

I think your arms (shoulders at least) and your knees have to still be covered.
(Again - modesty)

I think lots of catholics will wear a mantilla or veil out of choice.

It's mainly a cultural thing- when younger I wore a black mantilla, which is a Spanish term, not for any holy reason but I thought it was cool.
The tradition all but died out following Vatican II, but women can still choose to wear one, or a hat. Men wearing hats or hoodies in church is frowned on though. It's all about respect in the end.
Recently in my church there was a young lady wearing a white mantilla paired with very short shorts. It seemed inappropriate to me but there you go...
The rubric now is cover arms and legs above the knee, but no one 'enforces' it except in some countries I've been to.
Being in church is much better than staying away, whatever you're wearing...

Just looking at the news photographs today it really hit me just how in a sea of hundreds of men there were no women in the church or procession.

There are many Nuns

keepingquiet I've seen shorts being turned away in Italy.

I think white veils for women used to be the province of princesses only?

I admit I don't even like off-the-shoulder bridal gowns in a church - I don't wear a hat though.

Churchview

Just looking at the news photographs today it really hit me just how in a sea of hundreds of men there were no women in the church or procession.

Pope Francis was a reformer who appointed women to some of the highest offices in the Vatican.

Yes, the Roman Catholic church still has some way to go before they appoint women priests. If they ever do.

Please don’t feel sad. He is in Heaven, Be glad he knew he had a place with the Heavenly Father. Blesses to all.

Mantilla is correct, they were expected when I was a child but things definitely changed later on.