Canadian Elections

Wyllow3 I think most of what Carney said about Brexit was accurate. It's easy to say people are "rubbish* but I want to know what makes them rubbish, some examples would be helpful with suggestions that are not just "with hindsight".

foxie48

Carney was head of BoE during very difficult times, Brexit and then Covid which presented huge fiscal problems for every country. Why do you say Carney was "rubbish" FGT ? What would you have done differently? Clearly Canada thought he'd done a decent job or he wouldn't have done the same job there!

I thought he was quietly competent in some very difficult times. This isn't to say he got everything "right", no one does,
He is a marmite figure for many for speaking up on Brexit but was called
“the only adult in the room” at the time, he was the first to react when early economic indicators showed business confidence falling through the floor at the result. He also acted effectively on the corona virus financial emergency.

but he now faces what must be the biggest challenge of his life, the relationship with the USA and also building relationships with other trading parties.

Its harder to find domestic policy details, except a major pledge for home building and tax cuts for low ad middle income groups.

“What kind of comment is that?

A woke parent produces a woke child ( whatever that is)

Unbelievable really.”

I think some people genuinely believe this. As if it’s genetic.

I hate the word "woke" it's almost become a sort of swear word I prefer to think about equality and inclusion, which I most firmly believe in. If people want to live in an unfair world why not just say they are pro white male supremacy rather than anti-woke?

Carney was head of BoE during very difficult times, Brexit and then Covid which presented huge fiscal problems for every country. Why do you say Carney was "rubbish" FGT ? What would you have done differently? Clearly Canada thought he'd done a decent job or he wouldn't have done the same job there!

What exactly is 'wrong' about being 'woke'? Unless of course you side with Musk, and believe that empathy is a weakness.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Allira

Carney has a trans daughter who lives as a man. So we can guess his views on the matter.

I understood that Sasha is non-binary and prefers the pronoun they.

😫
Apples don’t fall far from the (woke) tree.

What kind of comment is that?

A woke parent produces a woke child ( whatever that is)

Unbelievable really.

Canadians have chosen Carney. I think they’ll regret their choice in time. He was rubbish at the BoE. I had hoped for better at the time of his tenure.

I really like the way Carney has set up the King Charles visit in the context of seeing Trump next Tuesday. Setting up the links between UK/Europe when Trump wants a 51st State.

Carney is realistic about the meeting with Trump.

"The invitation to the monarch, who is Canada’s head of state, is a dramatic example of the country’s “elbows up” defiance of Trump’s repeated insults and annexation threats.

“On Monday, Canadians elected a new government to stand up to President Trump and to build a strong economy,” Carney said.

Carney said he expects “difficult, but constructive” conversations with Trump and senior administration officials next week, brushing back suggestions he might face an embarrassing dressing down similar to what Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy faced in March".

Carney is also making tactful moves to include the conservative leader Carney said he would be opening talks on how to lift Trump’s various tariffs on Canada, but made clear the meeting is only a start to a negotiation of a larger economic and security agreement with the U.S.

“Do not expect white smoke out of that meeting,” said Carney.

Carney is making moves to bring Poilievre (Conservative leader) back into government who was ousted by a young rookie Liberal.

"Carney revealed he told Poilievre he will call a by-election once the Conservative Party finds a new riding for him to run in. Little more than an hour after Carney spoke, a report emerged that a Conservative elected in a safe Alberta riding would step down to make way for Poilievre".

Good moves to try and get a national not over partisan government.

True Casdon.
Doesn’t mean I like hearing it or agree with it all though.
‘genderqueer’ etc. some non binary.
Tiny proportion of the populace.
It’ll all fizzle out ….

Think about what you say FriedGreenTomatoes2. - next time it might be one of your grandchildren who is transgender. Forget the words, think about the lifelong consequences for the person, whose family loves them whoever they are.

‘Non binary’ what utter nonsense.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Allira

Carney has a trans daughter who lives as a man. So we can guess his views on the matter.

I understood that Sasha is non-binary and prefers the pronoun they.

😫
Apples don’t fall far from the (woke) tree.

Did you really mean to say that?

I think I’m just sick of all the PC pronouns Wyllow , the whole ‘alternative’ identities, the preciousness of it all.

Frankly FGT thats pretty nasty, you surprise me.

Carney has always kept his family life as private as possible and free from intrusion by the press and SM. And we should respect this! People have a right to their private lives without prurient speculation.

Allira

^Carney has a trans daughter who lives as a man. So we can guess his views on the matter.^

I understood that Sasha is non-binary and prefers the pronoun they.

😫
Apples don’t fall far from the (woke) tree.

Casdon

Carney is a strategist. The King will now be opening the Canadian parliament later this month. Stealing a march.

I am very pleased about that.

Show Trump that Canada is a Commonwealth country and that HM King Charles is still their Head of State.

Trump says he "loves King Chsrles" and "respects him"
Not as much as he loves himself of course, but still, it's a start.

Carney is a strategist. The King will now be opening the Canadian parliament later this month. Stealing a march.

Excellent opinion article on I player:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx27d89z0qdo

"Carney wants to lead a G7 fightback on Trump tariffs"

"There was a half expectation here that Carney would immediately sue for peace with President Trump when the polls closed on the election. It has emphatically not happened."

"Underpinning (Carney's) approach is absolute conviction that the US is making a mistake that will primarily and visibly backfire on itself, its companies, and its consumers.

The fact the White House is attacking Amazon for "hostile acts" in publishing tariffs is a cast-iron example of this. President Trump's gun is pointed primarily at his own feet, the thinking goes.

.....(more on specifics of his approach)

"by an incredible quirk of fate, it is he who will host the G7 summit in Alberta in June, just days before the expiry of President Trump's "reciprocal" tariffs pause. Will Trump attend on the land he both tariffs and covets?
All roads lead to Kananaskis in the middle of June"

Allira

Casdon

lafergar

Primrose53

FriedGreenTomatoes2

If Canadians seriously see Carney as a "problem solver" then I suggest they haven't bothered to look at his dreadful record. It really is hard to comprehend why that nation would consider for a millisecond voting for him after ten thoroughly incompetent years of Trudeau. What are they thinking?!!

My son said Canadians who voted for him are crazy.

Ah well, that'll be right.

I can’t help thinking that Canadians are more au fait with what is happening there, what the parties could offer them, and who can best deal with the GW than you FriedGreenTomatoes2, or Primrose’s son. Give them some credit.

There are two posts by Canadia Gransnetters underneath the ones I quoted and they have differing opinions.

We're allowed to have an opinion on Carney, I think, because he spent several years in two of the most influential posts in the UK.

Yes, but bearing in mind that he is Canadian, has also been governor of the Bank of Canada, and other posts there, and has also pitched his case as leader to the Canadian people, they are in a better position to judge him than somebody in the UK who doesn’t like him because he steered the Bank of England in a way that politically didn’t suit them.

Carney has a trans daughter who lives as a man. So we can guess his views on the matter.

I understood that Sasha is non-binary and prefers the pronoun they.

I’m sorry, but I think that CanadianGran’s mention of Carney being ‘more fiscally responsible’ is ominous rather than reassuring.

We have a ‘fiscally responsible’ Chancellor who is making a complete mess of our economy and subscribing to the same economic ‘orthodoxy’.

Casdon

lafergar

Primrose53

FriedGreenTomatoes2

If Canadians seriously see Carney as a "problem solver" then I suggest they haven't bothered to look at his dreadful record. It really is hard to comprehend why that nation would consider for a millisecond voting for him after ten thoroughly incompetent years of Trudeau. What are they thinking?!!

My son said Canadians who voted for him are crazy.

Ah well, that'll be right.

I can’t help thinking that Canadians are more au fait with what is happening there, what the parties could offer them, and who can best deal with the GW than you FriedGreenTomatoes2, or Primrose’s son. Give them some credit.

There are two posts by Canadia Gransnetters underneath the ones I quoted and they have differing opinions.

We're allowed to have an opinion on Carney, I think, because he spent several years in two of the most influential posts in the UK.

Funny you should say that, I had the same thought. Careful phrasing, quiet strong presence and charm.

Mind you the pundits say he has a strong temper lets hope older and wiser, and also gathers round a really good cabinet that does represent more than just Liberal Party views and "team works". But he's also known for keeping a calm head in a crisis.

Mark Carney reminded me of Barack Obama in his post election speech, his measured way of speaking etc.