Solid Trump rejection. So what happened in the U.K.?

Allira, it's only 'inflammatory' if it is untrue. Let's have a look at some of there, well, I was going to say policies, but no-one has been able to pinpoint any. So let's start with the over emphasis on 'asian grooming gangs'. Yes, they are evil and yes they exist, but they are sadly not alone. I have yet to see a Reform candidate hit out about the all too numerous disgusting white grooming gangs. That ommision is racist. Don't you agree?

Its a bit intriguing: Neville Watson, the Reform person Petra posted a picture of, supports reparations for slavery, which is so not Reform policy

this has not gone down well with Reform supporters - see this X account

Nigel Farage's bid to take Reform UK to the centre to appeal to left-wing voters has gone too far now

*Its Enfield branch chair Neville Watson just gave an interview to the Guardian revealing he supports reparations for slavery!
Yet all Tommy Robinson supporters are booted out*

The X poster moans about how left Farage is moving to accept this.....

x.com/Councillorsuzie/status/1914394691757314503

Who says anyone loves them?

Just pointing out the obvious.

LizzieDrip

Petra with your ‘and there’s more’ post, are you presenting the argument that because Reform have people of colour within their number, they are therefore not a racist organisation?

What a simplistic viewpoint!

That chappie must be laughing all the way to the bank.

Reform is about race, specifically skin colour.

Have the guts to stand by it, if you love them.

Oh goody, hopefully they’ll be some more.

You can be a person of any colour and be racist.

I read about the suspended councillor - sounds like the internal politics of Reform still loom large - no nasty skeletons to see - she was a Lowe supporter

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c230je4dmklo

Petra with your ‘and there’s more’ post, are you presenting the argument that because Reform have people of colour within their number, they are therefore not a racist organisation?

What a simplistic viewpoint!

If those ‘at the top’ write off these voters then they’ll find themselves ousted from power in the not too distant future.

Petra 😁
Reading some of the comments on here I can see why many voted for Reform.
The saintly elititist posts are likely those who live in the leafy shires with rather nice environments and lives.

Allira

petra 😂

And there’s more.

Grandmabatty

Yet again, this is not a UK problem but an England problem. Reform does not figure much in Scotland at all. Trump is disliked by many in Scotland for his high handed treatment over his golf course plans. Regardless of where his mother was born, he is looked at with scorn and distaste, the same way we look at Farage.

It is naive to assume Reform does not figure in Scottish politics. Polls suggest they could win at least 10 MSP seats in next year's election.
Swinney is well aware of the threat.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedywqeq18jo

Silverbrooks

Reform's British chairman has a different agenda altogether embedded in elitism and pandering to the super-wealthy.

Yes, but what about Maremia's stereotype of a Reform voter?

petra 😂

Reform's British chairman has a different agenda altogether embedded in elitism and pandering to the super-wealthy.

Maremia

Whitewavemark if you are still on this thread, you asked, what does Farage give to voters that other parties do not? I suspect that it is permission to be racist.

Reforms Asian chairman obviously feels comfortable.

Maremia

Whitewavemark if you are still on this thread, you asked, what does Farage give to voters that other parties do not? I suspect that it is permission to be racist.

So you are saying that anyone who voted for a Reform candidate in the local elections is racist, are you?

That's quite an inflammatory accusation.

Wyllow3

I couldn't support a Reform Candidate however good they were as a person.

I cannot abandon a degree of belief in diversity initiatives, we forget they are for people with disabilities and have been fighting for womens rights for years, or the need for SEND education, and could never ever vote for a climate change denying Party, or a party who supports links with the USA rather than Europe.

I prefer Labour warts and all nationally but locally I'd vote for aa really good Lib Dem if they were better than the Labour Candidate. Locally our council is a Labour/Lib Dem/Green mix and I must admit it's been better than Labour only they now have to work together for best outcomes and compromise.

I don't know what would've happened if there had been a vote this spring as atm we have no Conservatives at all just 6 Independents.

I tend to vote Lib Dem but am sometimes a floating voter.

However, last time in the local elections I voted for the Tory. The previous Lib Dem Councillor was utterly useless, he didn't seem to know anything about local issues, was very vague and was no help whatsoever if anyone had a problem. Last time I voted for the person, whomjudt happened to be Tory, and he is helpful, pro-active and always ready to help.

And, one of the new intake has already been suspended.

simply, not imply...

Reform are attractive because they appear to have "the answers" but now lets see it "in practice".

Watching reform reps on the news this morning (ITV and BBC), they didn't seem to have any answers, and imply kept repeating the problems as they saw them. Claptrap. It will be interesting to see what they actually do in the Councils where they have gained power...

Whitewavemark if you are still on this thread, you asked, what does Farage give to voters that other parties do not? I suspect that it is permission to be racist.

I couldn't support a Reform Candidate however good they were as a person.

I cannot abandon a degree of belief in diversity initiatives, we forget they are for people with disabilities and have been fighting for womens rights for years, or the need for SEND education, and could never ever vote for a climate change denying Party, or a party who supports links with the USA rather than Europe.

I prefer Labour warts and all nationally but locally I'd vote for aa really good Lib Dem if they were better than the Labour Candidate. Locally our council is a Labour/Lib Dem/Green mix and I must admit it's been better than Labour only they now have to work together for best outcomes and compromise.

I don't know what would've happened if there had been a vote this spring as atm we have no Conservatives at all just 6 Independents.

I don't think I have failed to vote in an Election, local or national, since I got the vote at the age of 21. I was brought up Tory, changed to a card-carrying Lib-Dem in the 70s after my local MP called me a parasite (because I didn't own my own home), followed by the rest of my family, left them due to irreconcilable differences when Brexit became an issue and since then have voted on a case by case basis. I voted Labour in the last General election for the first time ever, in the hope that they couldn't be worse than the last lot.

In the run-up to Brexit I was a pro-Brexit activist and attended my first ever demonstration. I still support it but I am still waiting for it to be properly implemented. Boris disappointed me, but not as much as the honest but gullible May.

After the so-called Brexit, Farage's lot continued to contact me to persuade me to officially support the Party. Eventually I asked them to stop, thanking Farage for his efforts but stating that I could not support his increasingly crazed actions, particularly regarding his support of Trump.

I cannot see myself ever supporting Reform in a National election, although I do not rule out the possibility of supporting a Reform Local candidate if I thought them the "best of a bad bunch". If Labour don't come up to the mark, I risk being politically homeless at the next GE and failing to vote for the first time in what will be about 59 years.

The costs of ignoring climate change are very high. Maybe we'll have to slow measures down but absolutely not abandon them. Reform

sundowngirl

MayBee70

sundowngirl

"But how would anyone explain why people are willing to vote for a Trump supporting political party, rather than an alternative, like the greens, Liberals etc"

Because I don't like or believe in the policies of the greens (too much like those of the loopy Ed Milliband) or Liberals (who want to drag us back into the EU at any cost) and if we don't agree with you WW2 we are called daft, stupid or idiots - how very rude!

Isn’t it rude to describe someone who acknowledges and wants to do something about the threat of climate change ‘loopy’ ? Unlike climate change denier Farage. And maybe, in the current political climate, what’s wrong with realising that we need closer ties with the EU?

Maybe not the person himself but definitely his policies are loopy. Even Tony Blair and other Labour MPs agree that Ed Milliband's race to net zero is doomed to failure and they criticise his phasing out of fossil fuels too quickly, ... We could be looking at blackouts like those experienced in Spain and Portugal
From what I see Germany and France are not doing any better economically that we are and some would say worse than us

I think what Blair said has been misinterpreted. But have to admit to not having read it due to my avoidance of political stuff at the moment to preserve my sanity.