Solid Trump rejection. So what happened in the U.K.?

Here’s the ABC News report.
www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-05/trump-dutton-federal-election-albanese-toxic-liberal-politics/105249448

Allira

Casdon

That’s not what the news reports are saying Allira, they are putting the Labor resurgence down to voters comparing the opposition leader Peter Dutton to Trump, who he had endorsed, and turning away from right wing government for that reason. Do you think the reports are wrong?

I'll see what my Australian rellies have to say, the horse's mouth might be more reliable than the British press.

Our Australian Gransnetter is constantly being told she shouldn't believe anything written in Australian press about British politics, perhaps we should take what's written here about Australian politics with a pinch of salt.

Good plan, I’ve spoken to mine there, and they do think that’s the main reason - people see Dutton as mini Trump according to them.

Just about to post the same Allira. You beat me to it.

Galaxy

What you think their best interests are and what they think their best interests are will be very different. Why on earth would they think their best interests lie in either of the main parties.

I don’t think that their best interest necessarily lie in either of the two main party’s and I assume many people think the same, but it is a massive leap to reject what they are offering atm and instead vote for a right wing populist party with everything that it brings with it.

What is Farage bringing to the table that the others aren’t?

Whitewavemark2

Allira

Wyllow3

LauraNorderr

Of course it is the fault of the stupid, uneducated idiots.
They just don’t understand do they.
So busy concerning themselves with rising crime rates, falling educational standards, lack of housing, lack of job opportunities, failing NHS and poor social care.
What do they know? Idiots.

No one has said anything like this on here.

Straw man argument.

That is precisely the premise of the OP, Wyllow3!!
Or didn't you read that?

It certainly isn’t!

The premise was

Two huge western powers rejected Trump leaning political parties.

We didn’t - why?

Does it mean that the voter is willing to be led by the nose as we see in the MAGA crowd?

What on earth is wrong with the voter in the. U.K.?

Are they as daft as the MAGA lot?

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Galaxy

What you think their best interests are and what they think their best interests are will be very different. Why on earth would they think their best interests lie in either of the main parties.

Exactly, and until such time our politicians realise this is a growing problem and address it, Reform will continue to grow.

What you think their best interests are and what they think their best interests are will be very different. Why on earth would they think their best interests lie in either of the main parties.

Allira

Wyllow3

LauraNorderr

Of course it is the fault of the stupid, uneducated idiots.
They just don’t understand do they.
So busy concerning themselves with rising crime rates, falling educational standards, lack of housing, lack of job opportunities, failing NHS and poor social care.
What do they know? Idiots.

No one has said anything like this on here.

Straw man argument.

That is precisely the premise of the OP, Wyllow3!!
Or didn't you read that?

It certainly isn’t!

The premise was

Two huge western powers rejected Trump leaning political parties.

We didn’t - why?

Does it mean that the voter is willing to be led by the nose as we see in the MAGA crowd?

Whitewavemark2

TerriBull

I'm not advocating turning to Reform, but I'm amazed when people don't get it, how much imagination does anyone have to have to see why that's happened, how obtuse, or personally cushioned from the discomforts of others not to even begin to register that some of our fellow citizens are sick to death of the cards they have been dealt which have massively affected their circumstances for the worse by successive governments.

I absolutely get that. But anyone in such a position and I have been pretty poor in my life, would surely understand where their interests best lie, and it certainly would never, ever have been for a right wing populist party.

What have the non right-wing parties done so far for these disenfranchised people?

When this can be answered and publicised and this section of the electorate are appeased there will no longer be any need for Mr.Farage et al.

LauraNorderr

In my opinion Farage is expert at reading the room. Sadly the other parties are way off the mark.
Rightly or wrongly Farage then addresses the major concerns, ie migrants without papers arriving in small boats, being housed and looked after.
The other parties ignore these concerns at their peril.
It is not racist to be concerned about these issues.
FYI I would rather stick pins in my eyes than vote for Reform but I do understand the concerns of those who do.
Hopefully the swing to Reform is merely a strong protest vote and the main parties will listen and learn.

I concur absolutely.

I was pleased that the Lib Dems did well in our neighbouring County but wonder just how the Lib Dems and Reform Councillors will work together in a positive and amicable way.

Wyllow3

LauraNorderr

Of course it is the fault of the stupid, uneducated idiots.
They just don’t understand do they.
So busy concerning themselves with rising crime rates, falling educational standards, lack of housing, lack of job opportunities, failing NHS and poor social care.
What do they know? Idiots.

No one has said anything like this on here.

Straw man argument.

That is precisely the premise of the OP, Wyllow3!!
Or didn't you read that?

TerriBull

I'm not advocating turning to Reform, but I'm amazed when people don't get it, how much imagination does anyone have to have to see why that's happened, how obtuse, or personally cushioned from the discomforts of others not to even begin to register that some of our fellow citizens are sick to death of the cards they have been dealt which have massively affected their circumstances for the worse by successive governments.

I absolutely get that. But anyone in such a position and I have been pretty poor in my life, would surely understand where their interests best lie, and it certainly would never, ever have been for a right wing populist party.

LauraNorderr

Of course it is the fault of the stupid, uneducated idiots.
They just don’t understand do they.
So busy concerning themselves with rising crime rates, falling educational standards, lack of housing, lack of job opportunities, failing NHS and poor social care.
What do they know? Idiots.

No one has said anything like this on here.

Straw man argument.

In my opinion Farage is expert at reading the room. Sadly the other parties are way off the mark.
Rightly or wrongly Farage then addresses the major concerns, ie migrants without papers arriving in small boats, being housed and looked after.
The other parties ignore these concerns at their peril.
It is not racist to be concerned about these issues.
FYI I would rather stick pins in my eyes than vote for Reform but I do understand the concerns of those who do.
Hopefully the swing to Reform is merely a strong protest vote and the main parties will listen and learn.

Casdon

That’s not what the news reports are saying Allira, they are putting the Labor resurgence down to voters comparing the opposition leader Peter Dutton to Trump, who he had endorsed, and turning away from right wing government for that reason. Do you think the reports are wrong?

I'll see what my Australian rellies have to say, the horse's mouth might be more reliable than the British press.

Our Australian Gransnetter is constantly being told she shouldn't believe anything written in Australian press about British politics, perhaps we should take what's written here about Australian politics with a pinch of salt.

I'm not advocating turning to Reform, but I'm amazed when people don't get it, how much imagination does anyone have to have to see why that's happened, how obtuse, or personally cushioned from the discomforts of others not to even begin to register that some of our fellow citizens are sick to death of the cards they have been dealt which have massively affected their circumstances for the worse by successive governments.

That’s not what the news reports are saying Allira, they are putting the Labor resurgence down to voters comparing the opposition leader Peter Dutton to Trump, who he had endorsed, and turning away from right wing government for that reason. Do you think the reports are wrong?

AGAA4

I think if people looked into what Reform are planning they may be less keen.
They are going to cut diversity in all the councils they hold. Sounds familiar. As there is only one diversity officer in all of their councils how much money will that save.
The plan to put asylum seekers in tents will cause problems. Where will all the tents be located? Residents may not want a campsite on their doorstep.
Their plans seem a bit flaky.

It's a protest vote!

Perhaps not a bad thing as both main parties need to take a good look at why voters are so disillusioned with them and whst their future plans must be.

What is Farage offering that you are so sure will benefit you?

Nobody will have the bottle to answer this. Ever.

Whitewavemark2

Two successful large western powers, both solidly rejected Trump to the extent that both Trump supporting leaders lost their seat.

What on earth is wrong with the voter in the. U.K.?

Are they as daft as the MAGA lot?

Why do you think Canada voted on an anti-Trump message?
I would have thought even a daft person could understand why that was.

Australians would have voted on different issues. Albanese said "he received a "very warm" congratulatory phone call from US President Donald Trump". Interesting times ahead.

AGAA4

I think if people looked into what Reform are planning they may be less keen.
They are going to cut diversity in all the councils they hold. Sounds familiar. As there is only one diversity officer in all of their councils how much money will that save.
The plan to put asylum seekers in tents will cause problems. Where will all the tents be located? Residents may not want a campsite on their doorstep.
Their plans seem a bit flaky.

So why knowing this did people vote for them?

LauraNorderr

Of course it is the fault of the stupid, uneducated idiots.
They just don’t understand do they.
So busy concerning themselves with rising crime rates, falling educational standards, lack of housing, lack of job opportunities, failing NHS and poor social care.
What do they know? Idiots.

Hyperbole - that is not at all what I am saying.

I think if people looked into what Reform are planning they may be less keen.
They are going to cut diversity in all the councils they hold. Sounds familiar. As there is only one diversity officer in all of their councils how much money will that save.
The plan to put asylum seekers in tents will cause problems. Where will all the tents be located? Residents may not want a campsite on their doorstep.
Their plans seem a bit flaky.

Great post Terribull, well thought out, well put, as always.

Whitewavemark2

Two successful large western powers, both solidly rejected Trump to the extent that both Trump supporting leaders lost their seat.

What on earth is wrong with the voter in the. U.K.?

Are they as daft as the MAGA lot?

What on earth is wrong with the voter in the. U.K.?

You yourself, I believe, that the LA elections last week consisted of very few areas so is not really representative of the country as a whole.
In fact, the majority of Councillors elected were for parties other than Reform, 975 compared to 677 Reform Councillors.
Labour lost control of only one Council and the Conservatives suffered the worst losses, losing control of 16. The Conservatives are the ones who need to go back to the drawing board because they have lost their way.