Of course we should question what we're told Annie but that questioning should be on everything, not just about what we've already decided we don't want to believe.
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Israel to "conquer" Gaza
(1001 Posts)"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the population of Gaza will be displaced to the south after his security cabinet approved an expanded military operation in the enclave that a minister described as a plan to “conquer” the territory.
The vote on Sunday came hours after the military said it would mobilize tens of thousands of reservists, strengthening its capacity to operate in the besieged Palestinian territory.
“One thing will be clear: there will be no in-and-out,” Netanyahu said in a Monday video message posted on X. “We’ll call up reserves to come, hold territory — we’re not going to enter and then exit the area, only to carry out raids afterward. That’s not the plan. The intention is the opposite.”
The plan would be implemented after US President Donald Trump’s visit to the Middle East next week to “provide a window of opportunity” for a hostage deal, the official added
"The plan then, is to displace Gaza’s entire population to the south of the enclave, following which the total the blockade of humanitarian aid may be lifted, the official said, adding that the military “will remain in every area it captures.”"
edition.cnn.com/2025/05/05/middleeast/israel-gaza-expansion-hnk-intl
People are being killed, some innocent some not ?
What is happening now is the mass slaughter of innocent people. And the world is watching. And doing nothing….
To discuss what is happening now we should not question what
we are told?
ronib
Not whataboutery at all Wyllow3 - in fact I am beginning to doubt practically all information. You must be aware of bias in human interaction? I tend to believe my Jewish optician when he said there will be no peace in Israel/Gaza for the next 100 years.
Your optician may be right or wrong - concerns are however what is happening right now.
Of course there is always bias in human interaction but when the offensive and movement of Gazan's and aid as in yet unconstructed centres is actually announced by Netanyahu and the IDF themselves you doubt it?
It does feel like "anything to avoid discussing whats happening right now"
"The Trump administration is working on a plan to permanently relocate up to 1 million Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Libya, five people with knowledge of the effort told NBC News.
The plan is under serious enough consideration that the administration has discussed it with Libya’s leadership, two people with direct knowledge of the plans and a former U.S. official said.
In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.
No final agreement has been reached, and Israel has been kept informed of the administration’s discussions, the same three sources said."
NBC , full article link.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-working-plan-move-1-million-palestinians-libya-rcna207224
ayBee70 Sat 17-May-25 13:04:44
Just imagine if we’d used the same strategy to root out the IRA during the Troubles.
Obviously we didn’t
The Guildford Four and Maguire Seven were two groups of people, mostly Northern Irish, who were wrongly convicted in English courts in 1975 and 1976 of the Guildford pub bombings of 5 October 1974[1] and the Woolwich pub bombing of 7 November 1974. All the convictions were eventually overturned in 1989 (for the Guildford Four) and 1991 (for the Maguire Seven) after long campaigns for justice, as were those of the Birmingham Six.
Quote Wyllow3 Sat 17-May-25 12:54:20
Anniebach
It’s so very difficult finding facts so one should question surely?
It's not so difficult finding facts actually.
If you find any information whatsoever contradicting these reports I'm very open to hearing them,
Seems no one contradicts Hamas, they give the number of dead , if there is bombing there will be dead surely, but the number ?
Not whataboutery at all Wyllow3 - in fact I am beginning to doubt practically all information. You must be aware of bias in human interaction? I tend to believe my Jewish optician when he said there will be no peace in Israel/Gaza for the next 100 years.
Just imagine if we’d used the same strategy to root out the IRA during the Troubles.
Anniebach
It’s so very difficult finding facts so one should question surely?
It's not so difficult finding facts actually.
If you find any information whatsoever contradicting these reports I'm very open to hearing them,
Just which information do you doubt, Ronib?
Netanyahu has announced the offensive and details himself
Cross check what I have quoted with CNN
edition.cnn.com/2025/05/16/middleeast/gideons-chariots-israel-new-gaza-offensive-latam-intl
Cross check with Jerusalem Post
www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-854273
I Less whataboutery or attempts to confuse the facts.
It’s so very difficult finding facts so one should question surely?
I am beginning to find some of the comments on the this topic quite surreal. Just saying… so many judgments with very little evidence? There’s a philosophical point somewhere….. how do we trust the accuracy of our information? Just thought I’d mention this.
I doubt very much that children are without extended families,
Unfortunately there are many children who now have no family because they are all dead, there are also families who don't have any children because they are dead.
Families, parents , children, grandparents etc, I think
children and families strange , you don’t
Crikx refers to all vulnerable groups if read fully above. His job as children's fund spokesperson mans specific mentions.
What matters is that military action is going to kill more at the same time as refusing aid where people are now, herding people into places there is currently no aid provision, its all "plans
I want more of the world to speak up and act. The US has substantial power here as it funds the regime, will it use it, not just say "they are concerned".
Anniebach
From what we have understood, the plan would increase the ongoing suffering of children and families in the Gaza Strip,” said United Nations Children’s Fund spokesperson Jonathan Crickx.
Children are a part of a family
You are being pedantic on such a serious issue!?
From what we have understood, the plan would increase the ongoing suffering of children and families in the Gaza Strip,” said United Nations Children’s Fund spokesperson Jonathan Crickx.
Children are a part of a family
The major offensive is also on the running news commentary in the Guardian
www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/17/israel-gaza-war-new-offensive-netanyahu-hamas-trump-latest-news-updates
It reports on the "aid" promised by the regime
"The organisation backed by Israel to take over food distribution in Gaza as famine looms has admitted it would not be able to feed some of the most vulnerable civilians from the militarised compounds it plans to set up"
"Israel has not officially laid out its plans for food distribution in Gaza, but statements from the GHF and briefings from Israeli officials envisage four or five militarised distribution centres in southern Gaza, run by private security companies, under the oversight of Israeli military bases"
Nothing has happened as regards this of course, but they envisage
"Heads of household would be expected to collect boxes weighing up to 20kg with several days’ supply of food and basic hygiene items like soap for their families. There is no provision for those too sick or weakened by famine to walk long distances across Gaza’s ruined landscape with heavy loads.
“From what we have understood, the plan would increase the ongoing suffering of children and families in the Gaza Strip,” said United Nations Children’s Fund spokesperson Jonathan Crickx.
“How is a mother of four children, who has lost her husband, going to carry 20kg back to her makeshift tent, sometimes several kilometres away?” Crickx said. “The most vulnerable people, including the elderly, people with disabilities, the sick and wounded, and orphans, will face huge challenges to access aid.”
My source was www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7geg3lvz1o
and it includes a report from Victoria Rose, a British reconstructive surgeon working at Nasser hospital in Khan Younis, about the state not just of the patients but the team themselves.
Well - its started. Let's look at what is actually happening.
Announced by the Israeli regime.
Israel's military has announced the launch of a major offensive aimed at defeating Hamas and securing the freedom of remaining hostages in Gaza
The Israeli Defense Forces said on its Hebrew X account that it had mobilised troops for "Operation Gideon's Chariots" to seize "strategic areas" of the strip
"UN Human Rights Chief Volker Türk ""This latest barrage of bombs, forcing people to move amid the threat of intensified attacks, the methodical destruction of entire neighbourhoods, and the denial of humanitarian assistance underline that there appears to be a push for a permanent demographic shift in Gaza that is in defiance of international law and is tantamount to ethnic cleansing," he said"
The Israeli government has repeatedly rejected claims there is a food shortage in Gaza
There are no arrangements for humanitarian aid available as of now
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said the US was "troubled" by the situation
(troubled? Well do something!)
After six years they see needed, rationing was for children and
adults based on needs, I remember going to the Cooperative
and hearing of requests for miners rations
This will affect these children for their entire life. They may recover and survive, but their bodies will ,”evidence” what has happened to them for ever, even after death.
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