Israel to "conquer" Gaza

I think you’re reading too much into Trumps vision for Gaza.
At the moment it’s better to be squeezed than killed or injured.

It is his predictions I would question foxie, rather than his language skills, he consistently gets it wrong and seems bewildered when people don't think in the way he does. But perhaps we are all guilty of that.
Many people do like him but many don't, and that's fine.
I actually do think he appeals to a certain section of Labour voters oreo, there is in many ways very little difference between him and Campbell.

Why were 2.3million living in tiny Gaza ?

2.3 million people, minus about 60,000 now dead, were tightly squeezed into the whole of tiny Gaza, how on Earth can they all be pushed into a corner of the south and survive.

My opinion for what it’s worth is that Israel wants the palistinians out permanently, so it can take their land for its own people. They are already marketing coastal areas in gaza as luxury properties for sale to wealthy American friends and others with cash. The land is not theirs to sell.

Apologies Foxie48 I seem to have touched a nerve, I should have said beloved by Guardian reading Socialists on forums.
Why would Labour voters like RS? Out of touch elite Tory.
It’s puzzling.
Maybee70 I do realise that you hate me criticising anything that Starmer or the LP says or does, but I see that as your problem not mine.

Oreo

That says it all.
RS is beloved by Guardian reading Socialists not normal Labour voters.He’s a liberal luvvie who went off in a huff as he wasn’t chosen to be Leader of the Tories, he never would have been in a million years, far too out of touch with the man in the street.
If you think he’s some sort of guru about Israel or Jews in general then think again.
If you want an ‘academic’ take on the Gaza situation then there are plenty of Israeli ones available.

He left because he wouldn’t work under Boris Johnson who he saw for what he was and despised. Do you honestly think that he is less out of touch with ordinary people than the leaders they have chosen recently? At one time he went and stayed with his constituents because he wanted to get to know them better, being aware of his rather elite upbringing. What do you mean by ‘normal’ Labour voters? Or do you assume that a ‘normal’ Labour voter agrees with your view of the party ( a party that, from most of the posts I’ve seen from you since they were elected, you seem to despise).

"RS is beloved by Guardian reading Socialists not normal Labour voters.He’s a liberal luvvie who went off in a huff as he wasn’t chosen to be Leader of the Tories, he never would have been in a million years, far too out of touch with the man in the street."

Now that did make me laugh. I doubt he's beloved by Socialists whether they read the Guardian or not. Poor Rory, not loved by Labour voters and too out of touch for Conservative voters, who were willing to vote Truss in as their leader! It's just as well he got out of politics and into Academia. Oreo I don't rely on one source of information but RS does have wide experience of foreign politics and a very long list of contacts which makes his views worth listening to. You may not like him but lots of people do.
Of course Galaxy he's had an elite education, Dragon School, Eton, Balliol, it doesn't get much more elite than that but he's no whimp. Try walking across Afghanistan, it's certainly no walk in the park! He speaks about 10 languages, so I'm sure it helped that he was able to converse in Dari with the locals but I think he knows which date is Christmas without having to ask.

No plan for the Gazans can be set in concrete for now.

Until the last of hamas have been rooted out it makes sense.

Oreo

silverlining48

Oreo am interested in why you say there may be no alternative to Israel taking over Gaza ? What do you mean no alternative?

We don’t say there is may be no alternative to Russia taking over Ukraine.

The situations are apples and pears.
I think that now there really may not be a viable alternative to Israel taking over Gaza, rebuilding and administering in the region.There could well be elections down the line but for practical reasons how else, with no government there or law or infrastructure would the Gazans fare?

But as outlined in the O/P the stated plan is to herd all Gaza's to a small areas in the south under military control - and keep them there.

silverlining48

Oreo am interested in why you say there may be no alternative to Israel taking over Gaza ? What do you mean no alternative?

We don’t say there is may be no alternative to Russia taking over Ukraine.

The situations are apples and pears.
I think that now there really may not be a viable alternative to Israel taking over Gaza, rebuilding and administering in the region.There could well be elections down the line but for practical reasons how else, with no government there or law or infrastructure would the Gazans fare?

That says it all.
RS is beloved by Guardian reading Socialists not normal Labour voters.He’s a liberal luvvie who went off in a huff as he wasn’t chosen to be Leader of the Tories, he never would have been in a million years, far too out of touch with the man in the street.
If you think he’s some sort of guru about Israel or Jews in general then think again.
If you want an ‘academic’ take on the Gaza situation then there are plenty of Israeli ones available.

Sorry but I agree with Oreo, if RS predicted that Christmas would fall on Dec 25th, I would double check. He gets it wrong on so many issues because he has very little understanding of ordinary people. I have rarely heard someone so out of touch, and dismissive of ideas beyond his 'bubble'.
I am afraid he exemplifies the elite mindset that is so sure of his own goodness. I could go on.

Not unfair at all, I asked a reasonable question .

foxie48

I have a lot of respect for RS, he is both principled and a humanitarian. He has held high office, speaks openly about the difficulties he's had in life, knows more about foreign affairs than most and although on a different part of the political spectrum to me, has many opinions with which I agree. He's extremely well educated, lectures at both Harvard and Yale, has written many books and to put him down with the words, "don't make me laugh" says much more about you, Oreo, than it does about RS. Perhaps you could say what it is about RS that makes you laugh.

The Conservative Party missed a trick when they didn’t choose him to be their leader. Even I would have voted for him.

Most unfair , we will not all agree on individuals , this is our right when posting on GransNet

Oreo am interested in why you say there may be no alternative to Israel taking over Gaza ? What do you mean no alternative?

We don’t say there is may be no alternative to Russia taking over Ukraine.

I have a lot of respect for RS, he is both principled and a humanitarian. He has held high office, speaks openly about the difficulties he's had in life, knows more about foreign affairs than most and although on a different part of the political spectrum to me, has many opinions with which I agree. He's extremely well educated, lectures at both Harvard and Yale, has written many books and to put him down with the words, "don't make me laugh" says much more about you, Oreo, than it does about RS. Perhaps you could say what it is about RS that makes you laugh.

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Anniebach

Whitewave you do not know what the majority of Israelis
want, you read any newspaper and quote which you want to be
right, doesn’t make it so

I was quoting Rory Stewart - two points.

You should know that I don’t post this things off the top of my head.

Rory Stewart spends a lot of time in Israel, and as an academic, I trust that he knows what he is talking about.

Rory Stewart, don’t make me laugh 😆

Why is that funny? Have you ever listened to any of his (script less) lectures/listened to The Rest is Politics?

Rory Stewart An academic and a Tory !

There may be no real alternative to Israel taking over Gaza.

Whitewavemark2

Anniebach

Whitewave you do not know what the majority of Israelis
want, you read any newspaper and quote which you want to be
right, doesn’t make it so

I was quoting Rory Stewart - two points.

You should know that I don’t post this things off the top of my head.

Rory Stewart spends a lot of time in Israel, and as an academic, I trust that he knows what he is talking about.

Rory Stewart, don’t make me laugh 😆

Wyllow That is so true.

silverlining48

It’s not what the majority of Israelis want, they have been protesting in great numbers , it’s what Netanyahu and his cronies want.

As long as there are extremes in charge - on both sides - there will be war not discussion.

I can understand that * Whitewave* ,