Sycamore Gap tree verdict

Caleo

Keeping Quiet, I understand it was not a self seeded tree but was deliberately planted about one hundred years ago by a Newcastle man , Mr. Clayton, who loved the place, loved the tree, and owned the bit of land the tree grew from.

Ok thanks for that. It couldn't self seed really as there are no other trees there but I would have preferred an oak or lime to a sycamore...!

Oreo

Councils and builders are the worst culprits where cutting down healthy trees are concerned.

Hear,hear Oreo. 😔

Georgesgran

?? Ilovedogs22

Sentencing isn’t due until 15/7.

Oh sorry Georgesgran, I must have read something about what the sentence might potentially be.
Sometimes I have wood for brains!!!🥴

Those morons have another four letter word for brains Ilove
Starts with S and ends with T!

Parsley3

They haven't been sentenced yet but they are being held in custody for their own safety according to BBC news.

Well if that's true Parsley3, the world has gone completely bonkers!
Social media and idiots are a lethal mix!! It results in a mad mob mentality, similar to (I Imagine) the fever of the French revolution!
Most of those baying for the blood of the 2 men are just peeved as they no longer have a spot to take yet another ridiculous selfy for their pathetic social -media page. The men were probably sick of all the bloggers or maybe they were just Idiots! 🤔

Idiots and liars

I think it is inappropriate to give them custodial sentences. They are not a danger to anyone. The prisons are desperately overcrowded. I think they should have a community punishment such as tree planting for a considerable period of time. One has a young child. Of course it was stupid and senseless. But I think it is now time for common sense.

Yes mumofmadboys, it is time for commonsense. Social media & mass hysteria are turning people into a moronic gang of stupidity & encouraging a sense of communal, hysterical, overactive outrage!
The men were idiots not ruddy serial killers! 🤔

The Judge advised them to prepare for a lengthy sentence

The judge may need to seek advice as there will be very little if any precedent I would imagine.

mumofmadboys

The judge may need to seek advice as there will be very little if any precedent I would imagine.

They have been found guilty of two counts of criminal damage.

Criminal damage can attract a sentence of up to ten years, depending on the value of the property damaged.
How to put a price on two such iconic landmarks?

I think they do deserve custodial sentences if only to give them time to reflect. If they are not given custodial sentences they have the type of moronic brains that may think they got away with it.

Ilovedogs22

Yes mumofmadboys, it is time for commonsense. Social media & mass hysteria are turning people into a moronic gang of stupidity & encouraging a sense of communal, hysterical, overactive outrage!
The men were idiots not ruddy serial killers! 🤔

Ridiculous post.

I agree that community service might be more appropriate in some cases but like Allira I reckon, moron thinks as moron does.

This tree was growing in a particular spot that made a beautiful landscape and two mindless morons came along and cut it down Why would anyone do that, it's a truly awful thing to do. I know they didn't murder anybody but they have to be punished or other mindless morons will destroy anything they choose to.

Agree Marg75,a truly awful thing to do

It was awful, but Huw Edwards for example received a suspended sentence, I know who I would rather have out in society.

Galaxy

It was awful, but Huw Edwards for example received a suspended sentence, I know who I would rather have out in society.

Just because one sentence was wrong doesn't mean others should be let off the appropriate sentence for the crime.

mumofmadboys

The judge may need to seek advice as there will be very little if any precedent I would imagine.

I would hope for a suspended sentence, bound over and community service

Maybe not but you can see why people worry about injustice with regard to sentencing. The wealthy middle class powerful man or the feckless lower class, it's interesting I think.

Ilovedogs22

Yes mumofmadboys, it is time for commonsense. Social media & mass hysteria are turning people into a moronic gang of stupidity & encouraging a sense of communal, hysterical, overactive outrage!
The men were idiots not ruddy serial killers! 🤔

Does that include the judge who has told them they may expect a custodial sentence?
🤔

Galaxy

Maybe not but you can see why people worry about injustice with regard to sentencing. The wealthy middle class powerful man or the feckless lower class, it's interesting I think.

I have no idea what was in the mind of thst judge but I don't think it has anything to do with wealth or class.

Who said these two men were feckless?
One at least ran a business. The other is a mechanic.

I believe it’s many more than one wrong sentence.Just today on BBC online news, a British teacher jailed for 12 years for the most ferocious attack with a knife on his ex girlfriend, also a teacher, in Bath. He stabbed her 15 times and it took five men to pull him off her and disarm him, and even then he was trying to strangle her.A miracle that she survived.Somehow he was found not guilty of attempted murder.
Another case, a young man catfished and blackmailed teenagers to send pics of sexual acts to him, lots and lots of offences btw not just a handful.He got 31 months in prison and another 31 months out on license.
Cutting down this tree needs a community type sentence and a fine, certainly not jailtime.

Cutting down this tree needs a community type sentence and a fine, certainly not jailtime.

The judge will decide.

I'd give a sentence of years of supervised tree planting!
But I am not the judge.

It's quite feckless to cut down a tree, I think it is absolutely about class and money, and possibly something about public opinion.

That teacher will absolutely hurt another woman when released I have no doubt about it.