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Sir Keir Starmer’s speech this morning (12/05/25)

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GrannyGravy13 Mon 12-May-25 08:55:23

Has anyone watched this?

He seems to have been rather worried by Reform’s recent gains in local councils.

So much for increasing social care, does he think that these vacancies can be filled from U.K. citizens?

The elephant in the room is of course his mantra of smash the gangs which he omitted from his speech.

escaped Mon 12-May-25 17:08:48

I agree with GG13 what's the point in building houses which aren't affordable.
Here on the outskirts of Exeter we are due to have 14,000 new houses built. Seeing as the average price of a house is £350k, who is going to buy them? It's not as though we have umpteen jobs available for everyone, although we do need careworkers, and Bristol is too far to commute daily. No doubt retirees and well-heeled students at the University will buy them up.

MayBee70 Mon 12-May-25 17:30:59

eazybee

The Lib Dems are parochial because that gains them votes, the original Nimbys, and they care little for national or international politics.
Yes, we all know Ed Davey is a carer for his child. The way he paraded him at the last election was shocking.

Bit below the belt of you, sad

JennyCee Mon 12-May-25 17:33:10

Where will all the ‘Care Workers’ we badly need come from?
And the BIG elephant in the room??? ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Who is going to stop them. One of the people smugglers is now a billionaire i read today. Just headlines i hasten to add

Doodledog Mon 12-May-25 17:48:30

I don't mind if carers are immigrants, and I don't think that those who are immigrants are 'taking jobs' from anyone - there is a recruitment crisis in social care.

The problem is that there is an ageing population, and too many people not working need to be supported by those in work. The sums don't add up, and I'm not just talking about those on unemployment benefits, but about people who work for employers who don't pay them enough to live on, people whose rents are paying someone else's mortgage and leaving them with so little they have to claim UC, those who are old and need care, those who have retired and are on public sector pensions, those who are working and paying into public sector pensions, the ill, the disabled, the young - all of those people have to be paid for - as do roads, defence, police, education, defence etc etc, and we don't have a big enough working population to do it. In many cases there is no incentive to work a full week - doctors rarely do, as their taxation and pension arrangements make it counter-productive, and at the other end of the pay scale people are no better off in full-time work than in part-time with a top-up benefit.

It makes sense to persuade people who aren't working to do all jobs, whether they like them or not, before passing them on to people from other countries so that they can boost their own economies by sending money home. In most workplaces temps and people doing external consultancy are paid off if permanent salaried staff don't have enough work - this is much the same.

Jobs that can't be filled by UK workers are likely to be highly specialised, so the government wants to encourage them. Again, that makes sense - to me, anyway.

My concern is that care work needs to be done by people who are suitable. People who care about their patients/clients and who don't see the job as beneath them. Coercing the unwilling into care jobs can never be a good idea, IMO, but other unskilled work that doesn't involve working with the vulnerable should be filled by the UK unemployed before going to immigrants. I would love to see care work much better rewarded, and competition for the jobs made tighter. Putting care homes into public ownership might be a way to do that - there does seem to be anomalies in the relationship between workers' pay, home owners' profits and residents' fees.

For avoidance of doubt, when I say 'UK unemployed' I am talking about people who are claiming unemployment benefits, wherever their country of origin, and by 'immigrants' I mean people who are not here yet but could apply for non-specialist roles.

I think the government is trying to reshape the workforce so that those who can work have more incentive to do so (as benefits are reducing) rather than importing people who then need housing/put pressure on the NHS etc and simultaneously paying benefits to those who are capable of doing low-skilled jobs but don't want to take them. That seems fair enough, really.

The next stage needs to be stopping top-up benefits and raising minimum wages, so that people can afford to live an average lifestyle on an average wage, and nobody working a full week needs to use a food bank. I realise that that is challenging, but in the 50s and 60s it was the case that publicly owned housing at reasonable rents meant that a working family could have a decent life with one person working, and there was no such thing as food banks. Admittedly, there were fewer expensive treatments available on the NHS, and most people left education at 15 or 16, so these days it takes both parts of a couple to pay for those things, but it shouldn't be a pipe dream.

If we reach that state - whether the housing is council, owned but genuinely affordable' or privately but fairly rented - there will be less social unrest (and probably less crime), and children will get a better start in life.

valdavi Mon 12-May-25 17:57:18

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

JaneJudge

There are courses at my local college to learn English. Those that work for the NGS have to pass an English exam if nursing.

I’ve not heard his speech so I don’t know why I’m commenting but where I live we are lacking an active policing force. There is so much criminal behaviour that isn’t dealt with that I fear people will just take matters into their own hands which won’t end well

Blimey - sounds like the Wild West!!

That isn’t true of my area in the south.

It’s true of many areas in the country, I expect you live somewhere rather lovely😁
Where I live, also in the South you’ll be lucky if you get a police visit when needed days if not a week later for a burglary and none at all for shoplifted items under a high amount.
They’re round quick smart I bet if anyone posts a so called hate crime online.
They go for the low hanging fruit every time.

Most farmers live 'somewhere rather lovely', but the lengths they have to go to to protect themselves from expensive machine theft, and from illegal incursions by hare / rabbit coursing gangs are increasing year on year.
Crime's an issue in the coutryside too

lafergar Mon 12-May-25 18:02:48

PoliticsNerd

lafergar

Social Care should never have been farmed out in the first place.

The obvious step in that argument is - how would you fund it in a way that no one would complain about and will actually work?

I daresay people will complain. But I seem to remember a system whereby we paid taxes and the LA provided some sort of infrastructure like care,roads, libraries,youth clubs.

wendyann23 Mon 12-May-25 18:04:07

The biggest problem is he has said nothing about illegal immigrants/asylum seekers coming over on the boats. May only be a small proportion of immigrants but they make the headlines and are the ones most people feel strongly about, not those that come over here to work legally.

Elegran Mon 12-May-25 18:08:20

knspol Which would you prefer to have, a Prime Minister or a flamboyant actor?
"I thought very uninspiring, he really seems to be a man with no enthusiasm or get up and go."

Cossy Mon 12-May-25 18:11:23

For the record, I worked in a care home, for a few months, way back in the late 70’s.

It was a council home, it was horrendous, none of us had any training whatever and the only qualified person was Mateon, who lived in a totally self contained flat and we never saw her!

In the end I walked out in the middle of my shift, it was a horrid, badly run, place which still had dormitories and where everyone was dosed up to the nines with tablets day and night!

My dear MIL is now in residential care, as was my late Aunt, both were in different homes but same owners. Care is great, surroundings are lovely, care staff do at least have some basic training now, all are in their own rooms with en suites loos and sinks, a TV in every room and nice communal facilities with qualified chefs making their food and one even had a cafe where those able to could sit with their visitors.

A far cry from the dreadful awful place in which I worked!

Elegran Mon 12-May-25 18:17:55

Sussexborn ^"Odd that Starmer, and his untried cabinet, attended an indoor curry evening but were cleared of all potential charges by a senior police officer who was looking towards his own future. Stroke of luck or skullduggery presumably?"* As far as I can remember, it was a curry take-away eaten at their (individual) desks after a hard day's work, washed down with a can of something. Not quite a party evening. A hanging offence?

Cossy Mon 12-May-25 18:18:13

Elegran

knspol Which would you prefer to have, a Prime Minister or a flamboyant actor?
^"I thought very uninspiring, he really seems to be a man with no enthusiasm or get up and go."^

I’m aware many people wish he would “get up and go” but he came from fairly modest background and clearly had ambition, he did very well in his previous profession, despite the vile things people have said about his CPS role and Human Rights work.

You may not find him inspiring, but as long as he inspires his cabinet and backbenches and makes decisions that benefit the country, I don’t really give a rats ass about his personality!

Cossy Mon 12-May-25 18:21:18

Elegran

Sussexborn ^"Odd that Starmer, and his untried cabinet, attended an indoor curry evening but were cleared of all potential charges by a senior police officer who was looking towards his own future. Stroke of luck or skullduggery presumably?"* As far as I can remember, it was a curry take-away eaten at their (individual) desks after a hard day's work, washed down with a can of something. Not quite a party evening. A hanging offence?

Not only was it not a party (& BoJo had far more than just one event) the police investigated once and stated all was in order, and then undertook a second investigation at the then Tory govt behest, and still nothing was found to be breaking rules!

I worked in a jobcentre during part of lockdown, we ate our lunch together every day, should we have been investigated?

NannaFirework Mon 12-May-25 18:26:01

Where are the workforce for Care, etc going to come from ?

Doodledog Mon 12-May-25 18:28:25

Indeed, Cossy. There is no comparison between a party - with cake and suitcases full of booze, people playing on swings, vomiting in wastepaper bins etc - and a few colleagues eating a takeaway with a beer after a day's working together.

The attempts to besmirch KS are laughable.

Ladyleftfieldlover Mon 12-May-25 18:39:19

Doodledog

Indeed, Cossy. There is no comparison between a party - with cake and suitcases full of booze, people playing on swings, vomiting in wastepaper bins etc - and a few colleagues eating a takeaway with a beer after a day's working together.

The attempts to besmirch KS are laughable.

I agree Doodledog. The way the right wing press and right wing people want to besmirch everything that Starmer does IS laughable. Are their memories so short. I’ll remind them - we had 14 years of disastrous Tory rule including the disaster which is Brexit, the mega disaster which was Liz Truss and the utter ridiculousness of Boris Johnson.

Cossy Mon 12-May-25 18:43:39

ladyleftfield
Doodledog

I couldn’t agree more!

Starmer bashing appears to be a national sport!

Benid0rmbelle Mon 12-May-25 18:51:02

There are tutors in English, of course they will have to pay like you or I would if wishing to learn another language. And this applies to ex-pats living abroad no doubt.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 12-May-25 18:53:10

Cossy

ladyleftfield
Doodledog

I couldn’t agree more!

Starmer bashing appears to be a national sport!

You can add Farage bashing and Trump bashing.

Any person who is elected to public office is open to ridicule, speculation and criticism. I don’t think it’s going to change anytime soon.

lafergar Mon 12-May-25 18:57:27

Benid0rmbelle

There are tutors in English, of course they will have to pay like you or I would if wishing to learn another language. And this applies to ex-pats living abroad no doubt.

No ex pats just shout and say a few silly things. They are not trying to earn a living wage.

Iam64 Mon 12-May-25 19:07:37

Ladyleftfieldlover

Doodledog

Indeed, Cossy. There is no comparison between a party - with cake and suitcases full of booze, people playing on swings, vomiting in wastepaper bins etc - and a few colleagues eating a takeaway with a beer after a day's working together.

The attempts to besmirch KS are laughable.

I agree Doodledog. The way the right wing press and right wing people want to besmirch everything that Starmer does IS laughable. Are their memories so short. I’ll remind them - we had 14 years of disastrous Tory rule including the disaster which is Brexit, the mega disaster which was Liz Truss and the utter ridiculousness of Boris Johnson.

I’m finding it difficult to participate. I’m Labour Party member. I voted for Starmer and have absolutely no regret about my choice.
He was good at the CPS. He has always championed the needs of women and children. He understands what good public service is and wants to do something to redress the devastation caused by YES by 14 dreadful years.
I believe he gets it. I’m watching ch4 news where Corbyn I’d being interviewed then Farrage shown in Parliament
Starmer remains the grown up in the room

growstuff Mon 12-May-25 19:23:20

NannaFirework

Where are the workforce for Care, etc going to come from ?

Presumably the people who claimed foreigners were taking "their" jobs!

growstuff Mon 12-May-25 19:28:04

wendyann23

The biggest problem is he has said nothing about illegal immigrants/asylum seekers coming over on the boats. May only be a small proportion of immigrants but they make the headlines and are the ones most people feel strongly about, not those that come over here to work legally.

Well, maybe those people who make a lot of noise should educate themselves about the reality!

Iam64 Mon 12-May-25 19:34:20

Growstuff - there’s a radical idea 🌞

Oreo Mon 12-May-25 19:35:45

Cossy

ladyleftfield
Doodledog

I couldn’t agree more!

Starmer bashing appears to be a national sport!

It has a long way to go to catch up with Boris Bashing 😄

Wyllow3 Mon 12-May-25 19:39:42

growstuff

wendyann23

The biggest problem is he has said nothing about illegal immigrants/asylum seekers coming over on the boats. May only be a small proportion of immigrants but they make the headlines and are the ones most people feel strongly about, not those that come over here to work legally.

Well, maybe those people who make a lot of noise should educate themselves about the reality!

they have said plenty over time and are going to produce a major report in it soon

- its quite simple, this white Paper addresses one area of immigration and its 27 pages of dense detail, it needed to be done, and couldnt possibly have included irregular migration too.