Sir Keir Starmer’s speech this morning (12/05/25)

Allira

Thanks Wyllow.
Its tedious reading

I didn't get that far 😀

I do look a lot up but there are limits 😳! However that section also goes on to look at pay for example in the Care Sector given the need to recruit more home grown workers...and also education/courses et al.

When I look at the monumental task reviewing the points system which has been in place untouched for so long I don't find it surprising there are many areas needing clarification but I feel there might be more patience in critiquing it.

I watched it and just thought it’s the same old BS, I’ve no objection to folk who want to work and assimilate into our country, we have had immigrants for 100s of years including those fleeing wars. What he didn’t mention and for me the biggest problem is the boats landing daily full of young men, who really should be in their own countries helping to build their own societies, instead of leeching on ours.

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..... and what exactly will he do if the immigrants don't do what is demanded of them?!!!!
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Could you tell me when I will win the lottery, please?

First step is to buy a ticket.

I'll never win the Lottery.

lafergar

Social Care should never have been farmed out in the first place.

No wonder LAs are in crisis financially.

lafergar

Social Care should never have been farmed out in the first place.

The obvious step in that argument is - how would you fund it in a way that no one would complain about and will actually work?

Boz

Its all about perception really and Labour, unless they lurch to the right sharply, will always take an approach to immigration that will not offend their ethnic vote.
If I was eyeing up the UK from across the channel, for example, any Labour plans would not put me off; whereas Reform would scare me, even if the threat is uncertainty.
These plans will not appease the Red Wall, who will switch to Reform at the next GE. They do not care what Starmer does abroad - they see over-immigration at the sharp end and care nothing for the chattering clamour of middle class intelectuals,

I would say the "chattering middle class intellectuals " and add Liberal to that, care not a jot about the ordinary people in the street, and what they are having to put up with nowadays.

SaxonGrace

I watched it and just thought it’s the same old BS, I’ve no objection to folk who want to work and assimilate into our country, we have had immigrants for 100s of years including those fleeing wars. What he didn’t mention and for me the biggest problem is the boats landing daily full of young men, who really should be in their own countries helping to build their own societies, instead of leeching on ours.

I agree it's a big issue but they made it absolutely clear this was to address issues to do with legal migration, which needed doing, and Cooper said they are announcing more on irregular migration later.

Given that usually all thats talked about generally is irregular migration I think it's reasonable to not conflate the two.

Freya5

Boz

Its all about perception really and Labour, unless they lurch to the right sharply, will always take an approach to immigration that will not offend their ethnic vote.
If I was eyeing up the UK from across the channel, for example, any Labour plans would not put me off; whereas Reform would scare me, even if the threat is uncertainty.
These plans will not appease the Red Wall, who will switch to Reform at the next GE. They do not care what Starmer does abroad - they see over-immigration at the sharp end and care nothing for the chattering clamour of middle class intelectuals,

I would say the "chattering middle class intellectuals " and add Liberal to that, care not a jot about the ordinary people in the street, and what they are having to put up with nowadays.

I think the Lib Dems do have an understanding of people's worries and needs. Ed Davey is himself a carer for his own child who has extra needs.

Not all politicians of every party are bad, not all good. Our Lib Dem Councillor was particularly inept but got ousted by a Tory a couple of years ago.

The Lib Dems are parochial because that gains them votes, the original Nimbys, and they care little for national or international politics.
Yes, we all know Ed Davey is a carer for his child. The way he paraded him at the last election was shocking.

This current government haven’t a cat in hells chance of building the houses they promised in their manifesto and since the election.

There is a U.K. wide shortage of all trades relating to the building industry.

I am not sure that there are enough incentives to entice the current cohort of NEETS into the care sector.

I am not sure how the current white paper will address these issues…

I don't think he's worried, he know Farage and Co will be discredited by the next election.

Just reread my post looks like I am not sure about most things 😹

Teazel2

Wyllow3

Teasel it is - an accusation to say of a PM that "he doesn't like or understand politics" especially the understand bit! something you remember as maybe from one newspaper some time ago is hardly fair or just about someone.

Not asking for an essay but just the source. There's so much on social media that is simply made up.

That is so true. I would have to trawl through back issues of the Mail to try to find it! Simply quoting a remark made by a politician is not, to my mind, an accusation but we will have to agree to differ. He always does look like a rabbit caught in the headlights though, so not too difficult to imagine him saying that!

Googled ; The Telegraph 29 November 2024

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/29/starmer-loathing-politics-miliband/

Behind a paywall, so haven't read it, but it's there for anyone with access

Freya5

Boz

Its all about perception really and Labour, unless they lurch to the right sharply, will always take an approach to immigration that will not offend their ethnic vote.
If I was eyeing up the UK from across the channel, for example, any Labour plans would not put me off; whereas Reform would scare me, even if the threat is uncertainty.
These plans will not appease the Red Wall, who will switch to Reform at the next GE. They do not care what Starmer does abroad - they see over-immigration at the sharp end and care nothing for the chattering clamour of middle class intelectuals,

I would say the "chattering middle class intellectuals " and add Liberal to that, care not a jot about the ordinary people in the street, and what they are having to put up with nowadays.

But LibDems and Labour voters are the ordinary people in the street - in some streets anyway. The issue is that the country has all sorts of different streets.

Please explain why people with well-paid (but not excessively well-paid) jobs should care about people who shout loudly about foreigners taking "our" jobs - the jobs which are so low paid and "dirty" that they won't do them themselves.

GrannyGravy13

Just reread my post looks like I am not sure about most things 😹

😂😂😂😂 Aren’t we all

Totally agree

GrannyGravy13

This current government haven’t a cat in hells chance of building the houses they promised in their manifesto and since the election.

There is a U.K. wide shortage of all trades relating to the building industry.

I am not sure that there are enough incentives to entice the current cohort of NEETS into the care sector.

I am not sure how the current white paper will address these issues…

Oh! I don't know! 5,000 new houses are being built just a few miles from me - the roads infrastructure is nearly ready. Plans have been submitted for a further 14,000. Some have already been bought off plan.

Cossy

AGAA4

Legal migration has become a problem too. Yvette Cooper is allowing only those with a degree into the UK. There are too many low skilled foreign workers she said and believes they haven't been good for the UK.
I think that care workers need qualifications and to be paid much more. I think if the pay and conditions were better more British people would do the job.

The issue here is that we have many many 17-25 year old Brits unemployed, and having left school with poor academic achievements. They need employment and all they will get initially is minimum wage roles. Also care homes need more than just carers, they need admin, cleaners and kitchen staff.

It is silly to bring in immigrants to do low level roles, cleaners, dustbin men, road sweepers, our own unemployed should fill these roles.

I completely agree more training etc should be given to carers, but they’re not the only ones badly paid, teaching assistant and nursery workers have qualifications and are low earners.

It’s all a bit of a mess, isn’t it!

How much rope will it take for Starmer to hang himself? It’s bound to happen but sooner would be better than later.

What would have happened if businesses had all been bankrupted and unsupported during covid?

Why and how did the ardent IRA member come to be employed by Whitehall and allowed to produce the report on Boris and the birthday cake he didn’t ask for, during an outdoor break. Her son did well out of her report but she could only get so far as the sensible members of the public smelt the rat so she didn’t quite get the huge promotion she hoped for.

Odd that Starmer, and his untried cabinet, attended an indoor curry evening but were cleared of all potential charges by a senior police officer who was looking towards his own future. Stroke of luck or skullduggery presumably?

SaxonGrace

I watched it and just thought it’s the same old BS, I’ve no objection to folk who want to work and assimilate into our country, we have had immigrants for 100s of years including those fleeing wars. What he didn’t mention and for me the biggest problem is the boats landing daily full of young men, who really should be in their own countries helping to build their own societies, instead of leeching on ours.

But asylum seekers make up a very small percentage of immigrants. If people are really concerned about too may people for a small island, asylum seekers aren't the biggest concern.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

This current government haven’t a cat in hells chance of building the houses they promised in their manifesto and since the election.

There is a U.K. wide shortage of all trades relating to the building industry.

I am not sure that there are enough incentives to entice the current cohort of NEETS into the care sector.

I am not sure how the current white paper will address these issues…

Oh! I don't know! 5,000 new houses are being built just a few miles from me - the roads infrastructure is nearly ready. Plans have been submitted for a further 14,000. Some have already been bought off plan.

Of course there are houses being built, there are round here and an expansion of Beaulieu Park Chelmsford (3,4 and 5 bedroom houses).

Small numbers when the Labour government promised 1,000,000 affordable homes.

Affordable homes for purchase or rent are what is desperately needed, not many if any are being built in this borough, flats start at £250,000.00.

The branch of our business which deals with builders (large conglomerates to small concerns) the one thing they have in common is the lack of tradesmen and/or the problems with recruiting and keeping apprentices.

Teazel2

Primrose53

As usual Starmer looked like a scared rabbit caught in the headlights.

Where are these people who are going to fill jobs in areas where we need workers going to live? They couldn’t afford a mortgage and private rental prices have now gone crazy. Plus landlords now require large deposits, excellent references and credit checks.

Yes he does always look just like that! Apparently he said that he doesnt understand or like politics!

No he didn't. He said that there would be people 'who liked politics' (tactful) who would try to pretend that the policy was to appease or to react to this or that - basically acknowledging that whatever he says or does will be criticised.

He knows there will be knee-jerk reactions and cliched responses and comments, as there always are. He's not a charismatic performer, but he is intelligent and considered. I'd rather be led by someone like him, (whatever his expression) as by someone who is more concerned about playing to the crowd than making policies that work

.Doodledog I agree

Sussexborn

Cossy

AGAA4

Legal migration has become a problem too. Yvette Cooper is allowing only those with a degree into the UK. There are too many low skilled foreign workers she said and believes they haven't been good for the UK.
I think that care workers need qualifications and to be paid much more. I think if the pay and conditions were better more British people would do the job.

The issue here is that we have many many 17-25 year old Brits unemployed, and having left school with poor academic achievements. They need employment and all they will get initially is minimum wage roles. Also care homes need more than just carers, they need admin, cleaners and kitchen staff.

It is silly to bring in immigrants to do low level roles, cleaners, dustbin men, road sweepers, our own unemployed should fill these roles.

I completely agree more training etc should be given to carers, but they’re not the only ones badly paid, teaching assistant and nursery workers have qualifications and are low earners.

It’s all a bit of a mess, isn’t it!

How much rope will it take for Starmer to hang himself? It’s bound to happen but sooner would be better than later.

What would have happened if businesses had all been bankrupted and unsupported during covid?

Why and how did the ardent IRA member come to be employed by Whitehall and allowed to produce the report on Boris and the birthday cake he didn’t ask for, during an outdoor break. Her son did well out of her report but she could only get so far as the sensible members of the public smelt the rat so she didn’t quite get the huge promotion she hoped for.

Odd that Starmer, and his untried cabinet, attended an indoor curry evening but were cleared of all potential charges by a senior police officer who was looking towards his own future. Stroke of luck or skullduggery presumably?

Do you know what, I increasingly don’t think he’s going to hang himself. Even Farage for all the ranting and bluster admits that some of the measures introduced today are things he agrees with. Migration will come down substantially, thanks to some of the measures previously introduced at the end of Sunak’s tenure and some of the new ones. Despite all the negative publicity about boat migrants, deportations are also increasing, and there will be more to come. In four years time it’s going to be a very different landscape. I think a lot of people really haven’t realised that Starmer is playing the long game - his focus is on sustainability not headline grabbing.

The delightful young women carers in my SIL's nursing home are mostly in their early twenties. They take very good care of her.
There are young men who give the male residents personal care.
I don't see youth as a problem- nor the fact that not all of these youngsters are white British. The one harridan not loved by SIL is a local woman in her fifties.