Shocking report GB News 9-11 pm tonight

Whitewavemark2

Sometimes a bit of effort working on our social skills brings as much benefit as a good and useful debate.

But wouldn't 'working on our social skills' also involve those who feel it necessary to join in and comment on issues that have already been resolved?

grannimimi

It’s important to compare like with like on legal migration. The figures were inflated by the Ukrainian scheme and the HongKong scheme and to a lesser extent the scheme for Afghanistan. It has now transpired that there are a number of agencies set up to recruit for low paid jobs overseas and colleges recruiting overseas students to facilitate immigration of one person who can then bring multiple, usually dependant family members. Apparently there are 100000 recruited overseas workers for whom jobs promised do not currently exist. There are also a number of fake colleges where students are registered but don’t attend or get qualifications. There’s also an ongoing recruitment problem in social care as it’s used as a ‘stepping stone’ to immigrate then people quite rationally move on if they can to better paying jobs. The government is now attempting to address these loopholes. It is not clear how many boat or lorry arrivals were returned prior to Brexit but the EU member Republic of Ireland which now has 20% overseas born has more asylum seekers than the UK and they are not returned to France. EU members are required to take quotas of asylum seekers and the figure of 100000 annually for the UK has been mentioned. Non compliance eg by Poland and Hungary is punished by withdrawal of funds. The EU are trying to offshore processing to third countries. The question has not been answered as to why France and other EU countries do not get sued when refugees have to live in tents whereas the UK provides hotel accommodation and social housing soon to be extended to subsidised private rented housing including to single young men who if born in the UK would not be a priority need for such housing. It is also easier to work illegally under the radar for lower than market rate wages in the UK. A clear draw for asylum seekers. The overall bill for the provision of free housing, health care and living costs would be enough and more to provide housing for those on waiting list and the homeless sleeping on the streets if invested in that way. Since we are not under the auspices of the EU the Government can create their own solutions where possible. If unchecked and unmanaged the lack of the necessary infrastructure will lead to a severe detriment on all concerned. Those living in leafy protected enclaves who can afford to mitigate the effects could consider checking their privilege before virtue signalling and denigrating those whose life experiences are negatively impacted when they express that.

Too difficult to read without paragraphs.

grannimimi

It has now transpired that there are a number of agencies set up to recruit for low paid jobs overseas ... Do you mean the agencies are overseas or the jobs (which is how this reads)

... and colleges recruiting overseas students to facilitate immigration of one person who can then bring multiple, usually dependant family members
Source, please.

Apparently there are 100000 recruited overseas workers for whom jobs promised do not currently exist.
Source, please.

There are also a number of fake colleges where students are registered but don’t attend or get qualifications.
Source, please.

There’s also an ongoing recruitment problem in social care as it’s used as a ‘stepping stone’ to immigrate then people quite rationally move on if they can to better paying jobs.
Quallifying facts, please

The government is now attempting to address these loopholes.
Link to Government statement, please.

It is not clear how many boat or lorry arrivals were returned prior to Brexit but the EU member Republic of Ireland which now has 20% overseas born has more asylum seekers than the UK and they are not returned to France.
Reference, please

EU members are required to take quotas of asylum seekers and the figure of 100000 annually for the UK has been mentioned
Where?

Non compliance eg by Poland and Hungary is punished by withdrawal of funds. The EU are trying to offshore processing to third countries. The question has not been answered as to why France and other EU countries do not get sued when refugees have to live in tents whereas the UK provides hotel accommodation and social housing soon to be extended to subsidised private rented housing including to single young men who if born in the UK would not be a priority need for such housing. It is also easier to work illegally under the radar for lower than market rate wages in the UK. A clear draw for asylum seekers.
Source, please

The overall bill for the provision of free housing, health care and living costs would be enough and more to provide housing for those on waiting list and the homeless sleeping on the streets if invested in that way.
Factual corroboration, please.

Can I just add that writing without punctuation, especially paragraphs, makes a post, particularly such a long one, difficult to read. You do seem interested in getting your "message" out to other gransnetters many of whom will skim past such a post.

But one follows the other I often find

Cossy

Whitewavemark2

Sometimes a bit of effort working on our social skills brings as much benefit as a good and useful debate.

I agree, but equally it’s really important to share facts, or else, as discussed many times before, just state it’s your opinion.

We are all educated adults and I’m pretty sure we are all capable of sensible, calm debate, without resorting to insults, deliberate or otherwise.

Absolutely

Cossy

Whitewavemark2

Sometimes a bit of effort working on our social skills brings as much benefit as a good and useful debate.

I agree, but equally it’s really important to share facts, or else, as discussed many times before, just state it’s your opinion.

We are all educated adults and I’m pretty sure we are all capable of sensible, calm debate, without resorting to insults, deliberate or otherwise.

👏 👏 👏

Whitewavemark2

Sometimes a bit of effort working on our social skills brings as much benefit as a good and useful debate.

I agree, but equally it’s really important to share facts, or else, as discussed many times before, just state it’s your opinion.

We are all educated adults and I’m pretty sure we are all capable of sensible, calm debate, without resorting to insults, deliberate or otherwise.

grannimimi
100% agree. How come the world and his wife knew about all these scams but our governments didn’t.
Probably like yourself we lived/ did live in the areas where the demographics changed out of all recognition and migrants who came through the back door had no problem telling you how it works.

escapedread the law relating to immigrants and then all will become clear😊
Thank you, I have. It is very clear. I know exactly what the French police can and can't do. I said I found it "strange" bizarre, whatever, ... that there can't be exceptions made here, that a better system can't be put in place, that laws can't be changed with more alacrity when needed.
But I'm no legal person this issue, like none of us here. And I haven't spread misinformation!!

What was incorrect NotSpaghetti? If you could be more precise I am happy to make corrections where required.

It’s important to compare like with like on legal migration. The figures were inflated by the Ukrainian scheme and the HongKong scheme and to a lesser extent the scheme for Afghanistan. It has now transpired that there are a number of agencies set up to recruit for low paid jobs overseas and colleges recruiting overseas students to facilitate immigration of one person who can then bring multiple, usually dependant family members. Apparently there are 100000 recruited overseas workers for whom jobs promised do not currently exist. There are also a number of fake colleges where students are registered but don’t attend or get qualifications. There’s also an ongoing recruitment problem in social care as it’s used as a ‘stepping stone’ to immigrate then people quite rationally move on if they can to better paying jobs. The government is now attempting to address these loopholes. It is not clear how many boat or lorry arrivals were returned prior to Brexit but the EU member Republic of Ireland which now has 20% overseas born has more asylum seekers than the UK and they are not returned to France. EU members are required to take quotas of asylum seekers and the figure of 100000 annually for the UK has been mentioned. Non compliance eg by Poland and Hungary is punished by withdrawal of funds. The EU are trying to offshore processing to third countries. The question has not been answered as to why France and other EU countries do not get sued when refugees have to live in tents whereas the UK provides hotel accommodation and social housing soon to be extended to subsidised private rented housing including to single young men who if born in the UK would not be a priority need for such housing. It is also easier to work illegally under the radar for lower than market rate wages in the UK. A clear draw for asylum seekers. The overall bill for the provision of free housing, health care and living costs would be enough and more to provide housing for those on waiting list and the homeless sleeping on the streets if invested in that way. Since we are not under the auspices of the EU the Government can create their own solutions where possible. If unchecked and unmanaged the lack of the necessary infrastructure will lead to a severe detriment on all concerned. Those living in leafy protected enclaves who can afford to mitigate the effects could consider checking their privilege before virtue signalling and denigrating those whose life experiences are negatively impacted when they express that.

Sometimes a bit of effort working on our social skills brings as much benefit as a good and useful debate.

Who exactly do you think you are. [petra]

Just someone who believes a good and useful debate depends on full facts.

Perhaps you would like to tell us who do you think you are in this context?

Interesting report on sky which details the fact that the Tory government always knew that the right of return would be lost once the U.K. left the EU, but always denied this fact.

It was obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells but it apparently came as a shock to many Tory MPs.

escaped read the law relating to immigrants and then all will become clear😊

I appreciate your engagement and the effort to clarify the facts Willow. My intention wasn't to be rude but to contribute to an accurate discussion.

Critiquing the facts isn't a personal critique—it's about ensuring we're all working with correct information. Thanks for adding additional details; it helps deepen the conversation.

PoliticsNerd

Wyllow3

Here are the full facts laid out in Sky News article

news.sky.com/story/migrants-try-to-board-small-boat-off-french-beach-in-desperate-bid-for-britain-as-powerless-police-watch-on-13154980

That appears to be a quote from 18th June 2024, Willow. The General Election was not until 4th July 2024

There was an announcement in February of this year that the French had agreed to change this law.

Your post is pure misinformation. If you wish to have an honest debate surely you would want to ask GNHQ to either delete your post or amend it?

PoliticsNerd
Who exactly do you think you are.🤷‍♀️

(I hope I'm not accused of being immature or introducing anything irrelevant on this thread again, when I was right) .......

but, I just wanted to say that tens of thousands of police and security personnel were drafted in for an extended period during the Paris 2024 Olympics. I know that for a fact because I was in France that summer and listened to everything I could.

Perhaps this similar form of policing initiative along the coast of Northern France will bring about the same success, though its a tough ask. I find it strange that French police can be ruthless and highly effective in so many ways, but haven't yet cracked this issue. 🤞

I suppose you will be asking to delete your post, or correct it now, PoliticsNerd?

Bump

Above all we need processing centres before people risk their lives in small inflatables.

Basically I'm very glad to see that Police will be able to intercept boats in shallow water and other measures!

homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/05/02/latest-statement-in-response-to-small-boat-crossings/#:~:text=This%20includes%3A,waters%20in%20the%20coming%20weeks.

I know nanna I found that post incredibly rude, I have no problems whatsoever someone saying, "your information is out of date" and correcting it at all because I always try to give references and people can check them.

Most of the information I gave was entirely accurate about how boats are sourced and how people are picked up

Changes to the rules about stopping boats in shallow waters was discussed/agreed in February but no changes have yet taken place.

a government statement dated May 2nd 2025 acknowledges that this policy is not yet operational, so reports coming from France at the moment reflect the long standing situation

"https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/05/02/latest-statement-in-response-to-small-boat-crossings/#:~:text=This%20includes%3A,waters%20in%20the%20coming%20weeks.

"2nd May 2025

The Home Secretary recently became the first British Home Secretary to visit the French northern coast in 5 years where she agreed new action to tackle smuggling gangs. This includes:

Training additional drone pilots to increase operations and intercept planned boats before they reach the sea.

The French working to change their operational policy so their maritime forces *can intervene in shallow waters in the coming weeks

Funding a new unit of elite officers to increase patrols along the northern coast from May similar to the arrangements put in place during the Paris Olympics which significantly reduced small boat crossings.

Launching a new specialist intelligence unit stationed in Dunkirk to hunt people smugglers and with dual powers to investigate and prosecute criminal gangs, allowing for faster convictions."

Words fail me. I didn’t know we had police on here.

Wyllow3

Here are the full facts laid out in Sky News article

news.sky.com/story/migrants-try-to-board-small-boat-off-french-beach-in-desperate-bid-for-britain-as-powerless-police-watch-on-13154980

That appears to be a quote from 18th June 2024, Willow. The General Election was not until 4th July 2024

There was an announcement in February of this year that the French had agreed to change this law.

Your post is pure misinformation. If you wish to have an honest debate surely you would want to ask GNHQ to either delete your post or amend it?