Fishing

windmill1

Mr (NOT Sir Keir) Starmer has negotiated to let EU fish in British waters until 2038. And in return?

Will the EU finally take effective steps to prevent the people smugglers operating openly on the coast of France?

This arrangement has been in operation since Brexit, it is nothing new except now more money will be invested in the fishing industry and exports will be easier and cheaper. Perhaps you would care to read the information from gov.uk that I posted above at 19:46.

windmill1

Mr (NOT Sir Keir) Starmer has negotiated to let EU fish in British waters until 2038. And in return?

Will the EU finally take effective steps to prevent the people smugglers operating openly on the coast of France?

He didn't negotiate anything new.

Its all upthread.

The current fishing situation has been in place since Boris Johnson negotiated Brexit.

And unlike Boris Johnson, we are investing in those areas. He and of course we get to fish in EU waters.

And the Scottish Salmon Industry, huge food exporters from the UK, get to trade without the previous red tape, worth more they are very pleased.

Yes, Scottish salmon exports are worth significantly more than other fishing industry exports from Scotland

In 2024, Scottish salmon exports reached a new record high of £844 million, making it the UK's top food export. This represents more than half of all fish and seafood exports from Scotland"

And if you read upthread have negotiated good trade deals in agriculture and other sectors, have excellent security and defence agreements, and more.

You ask about people smuggling.

"today's agreement also majors on further work on finding solutions to tackle illegal migration – including on returns and a joint commitment to tackle channel crossings"

Today Sir Starmer has done more for the UK as regards Brexit problems than any previous government.

Cossy

Why indeed Jane43?

IMO, the answer is because it doesn’t suit the narrative of the media, the opposition or Farage!

Reform will be making big, big noises about it in the next few days, mainly via GB (not) News.

It’s quite damaging, divisive and not to mention utterly childish to have such a closed mind that it makes it impossible to believe that a person one dislikes could ever do the job he’s employs to do properly or make good decisions for our country.

I didn’t dislike him at all and hoped for good things from him but he’s consistently shown that he isn’t good PM material.

Hear, hear Cossy 👏👏👏

Even on Sky News (admittedly right-leaning) the reporting about the deal was so one-sided and skewed. Very little acknowledgment of the duality of the agreements.

For instance, they reported that, with a youth mobility scheme, young people from Europe will be able to come here for work and/or study. No mention of the reciprocal benefit for UK youngsters being able to work / study in Europe.

The media narrative is fixed; they twist and/or ignore facts to suit it.

Goodness knows how this is being spun on GB Propaganda News🙈

LizzieDrip

Thanks Cossy.

As you posted earlier, it appears that KS can do nothing right. I’ve never known such a deliberate smear campaign, led by the media, against a British PM.

As someone on a radio phone-in said recently, “if Keir Starmer personally delivered a bag of chips to every household, folk would say there’s not enough salt on them”!

I’ve come to expect the Starmer bashing from all quarters now. It’s boring; it’s ridiculous; it’s malicious … but sadly it’s become a national sport🤷‍♀️

Don’t you ever wonder why ?
Even traditional Labour voters like me and my family think he’s doing a rubbish job.I wish both he and Reeves could be replaced.Well tbf she could go but he won’t.

Mr (NOT Sir Keir) Starmer has negotiated to let EU fish in British waters until 2038. And in return?

Will the EU finally take effective steps to prevent the people smugglers operating openly on the coast of France?

Why indeed Jane43?

IMO, the answer is because it doesn’t suit the narrative of the media, the opposition or Farage!

Reform will be making big, big noises about it in the next few days, mainly via GB (not) News.

It’s quite damaging, divisive and not to mention utterly childish to have such a closed mind that it makes it impossible to believe that a person one dislikes could ever do the job he’s employs to do properly or make good decisions for our country.

Yes

Teazel2

Whitewavemark2

Existing terms are in fact being rolled over for 12 years.

The EU linked fishing with an agreement to drop checks and bureaucracy around the sale of food, animal and other agricultural products, known as sanitary and phytosanitary goods. The EU has suggested this should be pegged to the same timescale as fish. So we give some and we gain some.

The defence and security agreement will give the U.K. access to the EU €125bn defence fund.

Its an emotive subject to an island country, it will be seen as a massive betrayal of our fishermen.

What isn’t being reported is that £360 million is being invested in the fishing industry and slashing of red tape and costs will help exports.
www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-secures-new-agreement-with-eu-to-benefit-british-people

Wyllow3

I was born in Hull that had a huge fishing industry. Fish straight from the boats, sold locally, fresh, a cheap meal, fish and chips every Friday.

Fast forward to the 1970's the fishing industry had collapsed and Hull was in a very bad state. It turned the original docks into tourist attractions, but fortunately was able to transform further out of the city to being an international ferry and then container centre.

But it also had a fish processing plant - Birds Eye - that used/uses imported fish. So Hull is a big importer of fish from abroad.

Although it's good it employs local workers, Birds Eye itself was never a UK firm. Birds Eye's origins and current ownership are American, and the brand is sold internationally.

That’s interesting

escaped

I think fishermen here in Devon and Cornwall have bigger worries. They're experiencing an "invasion" of immigrant octopus from Morocco. Apparently they are "decimating" the Devon shellfish industry. Send them back! 🐙 🦀 🐙 😲

Them bluddy small boat octopi🐙🙈

Yom fried octopi and salad

I was born in Hull that had a huge fishing industry. Fish straight from the boats, sold locally, fresh, a cheap meal, fish and chips every Friday.

Fast forward to the 1970's the fishing industry had collapsed and Hull was in a very bad state. It turned the original docks into tourist attractions, but fortunately was able to transform further out of the city to being an international ferry and then container centre.

But it also had a fish processing plant - Birds Eye - that used/uses imported fish. So Hull is a big importer of fish from abroad.

Although it's good it employs local workers, Birds Eye itself was never a UK firm. Birds Eye's origins and current ownership are American, and the brand is sold internationally.

Octopus thermidor with cheese on top! 🤣

Time to eat octopus or now sell them to the EU👍👍👍

Octopuses even, or is that octopi?

I think fishermen here in Devon and Cornwall have bigger worries. They're experiencing an "invasion" of immigrant octopus from Morocco. Apparently they are "decimating" the Devon shellfish industry. Send them back! 🐙 🦀 🐙 😲

Freya5

Wyllow3

WWM says

"The red tape that the fishing industry has been facing since Brexit has been hugely damaging. Not only does it involve a lot of paperwork but also a vet to approve the catch. What took at the most 16 hours pre-Brexit now takes anything up to 28 hours to reach its European destination. This cannot be so attractive to the buyers"

This means that Britain can now process fish and export it in the UK which is previously was not able to do, because under terms negotiated by BJ, communities ended up setting up complex and costly veterinary certification to comply with Brexit export health and safety rules. These will go.

Your last paragraph,please do tell this to our huge fish processing market. We have the leading UK ports for fish imports and a vital link in the food chain. About 75% of the UKs seafood processing is done here, including every other fish fish finger eaten in the UK, this has been going on for many years, pre and post Brexit. The ports handle the largest imports of fish into the country., situated as it is and in much demand from Europe. They handle high quality seafood, from around the world, and are a global leader in the seafood trade.
We have a thriving sell straight to customer shops on the docks, where you can pick up a lovely piece of North Atlantic haddock for a bargain. We've always had fish from there, wether by us or Norway.
So I'm not really sure where your last paragraph is coming from. As its always been the case that we can and do sell and process seafood .

Yes Freya we do get large amounts of fish imports coming into the UK.

But the question today here and in the papers is not how much fish we import Freya

"They handle high quality seafood, from around the world,
yes, from around the world

not what we can catch.

And yes, those fish imports are part of a thriving food processing industry.

But these processing plants are using imports, not locally caugh, nor most usually by UK firms.

Bird Eye fish for example comes from the seas around Norway and Iceland, not local UK waters. They use very large scale trawlers. Owned by multi national companies that do include some UK companies.

UK fishing waters do not have on the whole fish products that the UK public want thats why we sell most abroad, but the proposals allow for grants so that at least we can process those fish for better value exports.

The complaint about the fish industry is how small to medium fishermen and women can survive when they cannot catch the fish products that the UK public want nearby.

It’s a question of having large enough boats to go to the distant fishing grounds in UK ownership (when we have sold 75% of our quota of fishing rights abroad)

and maximising profit from the fish/seafood products that we do catch.

Don’t forget that the biggest betrayal to fishermen came from Brexit itself.

So what this deal has done is as I said so much more than fishing.

It covers food, farming and agriculture.

So fishing is worth about £1bn

Food,farming and agriculture is worth £10billion.

25Avalon

If the Eu can fish in our waters themselves why would they buy from our fishermen?

Because they are massive fish consumers and our small fishermen have always exported most of their catch to Europe and will continue to do so.

They did so before Brexit snd have done with more difficulty since Brexit, but this will make frictionless trade again. More profit for our fishermen.

Concentrating on the fishermen is also missing so much more though.

”We have all seen and suffered the results of 14 years of Tories, and some appear to have had a memory bypass! Give me KS any day over any of those we had prior to this govt. That KS is bashed and “hated” more than Farage and Trump astounds me! I voted Labour and I would vote Labour again. No, I’m neither rich nor deluded!”

Hear, hear Cossy.

For Keir Starmer to be called a ‘traitor’ on GN is disgusting (and baffling) IMO.

LizzieDrip

So, Mollygo I take it that your option is UK media is largely unbiased, presenting truthful, reliable, factual information that can be taken on face value?

Where did I say that?

We both know I didn’t say that,

but, if you prefer to believe your spin, that’s up to you.

LizzieDrip

Thanks Cossy.

As you posted earlier, it appears that KS can do nothing right. I’ve never known such a deliberate smear campaign, led by the media, against a British PM.

As someone on a radio phone-in said recently, “if Keir Starmer personally delivered a bag of chips to every household, folk would say there’s not enough salt on them”!

I’ve come to expect the Starmer bashing from all quarters now. It’s boring; it’s ridiculous; it’s malicious … but sadly it’s become a national sport🤷‍♀️

All I can say again and again is we need to be more patient, KS “enemy of the people” needs to just carry on as he is doing, calmly and quietly, and just wait for the results.

We have all seen and suffered the results of 14 years of Tories, and some appear to have had a memory bypass!

Give me KS any day over any of those we had prior to this govt.

That KS is bashed and “hated” more than Farage and Trump astounds me!

I voted Labour and I would vote Labour again. No, I’m neither rich nor deluded!

Thanks Cossy.

As you posted earlier, it appears that KS can do nothing right. I’ve never known such a deliberate smear campaign, led by the media, against a British PM.

As someone on a radio phone-in said recently, “if Keir Starmer personally delivered a bag of chips to every household, folk would say there’s not enough salt on them”!

I’ve come to expect the Starmer bashing from all quarters now. It’s boring; it’s ridiculous; it’s malicious … but sadly it’s become a national sport🤷‍♀️