Fishing

I think he already has.

Smileless2012

I think he already has.

Whoever thought he wouldn’t?
I think it mentions a 12 year deal but I don’t have details yet.

And he's me thinking it was Farage...

Well he’s upset farmers, not fishermen.

Vast amounts of farmers and fishermen vote leave.

We wouldn’t be in this trade mess had we stayed put and we’ve “saved” zero ££££ by leaving this far!

Boris wasn't exactly on the side of our fisherman either, post-Brexit, although he said he would be.

Existing terms are in fact being rolled over for 12 years.

The EU linked fishing with an agreement to drop checks and bureaucracy around the sale of food, animal and other agricultural products, known as sanitary and phytosanitary goods. The EU has suggested this should be pegged to the same timescale as fish. So we give some and we gain some.

The defence and security agreement will give the U.K. access to the EU €125bn defence fund.

Whitewavemark2

Existing terms are in fact being rolled over for 12 years.

The EU linked fishing with an agreement to drop checks and bureaucracy around the sale of food, animal and other agricultural products, known as sanitary and phytosanitary goods. The EU has suggested this should be pegged to the same timescale as fish. So we give some and we gain some.

The defence and security agreement will give the U.K. access to the EU €125bn defence fund.

Its an emotive subject to an island country, it will be seen as a massive betrayal of our fishermen.

Teazel2

Whitewavemark2

Existing terms are in fact being rolled over for 12 years.

The EU linked fishing with an agreement to drop checks and bureaucracy around the sale of food, animal and other agricultural products, known as sanitary and phytosanitary goods. The EU has suggested this should be pegged to the same timescale as fish. So we give some and we gain some.

The defence and security agreement will give the U.K. access to the EU €125bn defence fund.

Its an emotive subject to an island country, it will be seen as a massive betrayal of our fishermen.

No, it won’t. It will be spun by certain media outlets, but it isn’t correct. It is in fact simply an extensions of existing agreement.

In fact fishermen will find it easier to export their fish their fish to the EU, to which most of their catch already goes. because of the SPG agreement.

Whitewavemark2

Teazel2

Whitewavemark2

Existing terms are in fact being rolled over for 12 years.

The EU linked fishing with an agreement to drop checks and bureaucracy around the sale of food, animal and other agricultural products, known as sanitary and phytosanitary goods. The EU has suggested this should be pegged to the same timescale as fish. So we give some and we gain some.

The defence and security agreement will give the U.K. access to the EU €125bn defence fund.

Its an emotive subject to an island country, it will be seen as a massive betrayal of our fishermen.

No, it won’t. It will be spun by certain media outlets, but it isn’t correct. It is in fact simply an extensions of existing agreement.

In fact fishermen will find it easier to export their fish their fish to the EU, to which most of their catch already goes. because of the SPG agreement.

That is interesting, I will have a more detailed read into it all, thank you for your informative post 🙂

”It will be spun by certain media outlets, but it isn’t correct. It is in fact simply an extensions of existing agreement”

Exactly WW.

Fact: the existing agreement, which has been in place since Brexit, comes to an end in 2026. This new agreement is an extension of that same agreement. So how is it ‘giving away our waters’ … any more than Brexit did?

I’m already prepared for the emotive pile-on by the media; interviews with disgruntled fishermen, blah, blah, blah,

So how is it ‘giving away our waters’ … any more than Brexit did?

Wow! He did it first so why shouldn’t I?

How is an extension of the existing deal ‘giving away our waters’?

Mollygo

^So how is it ‘giving away our waters’ … any more than Brexit did?^

Wow! *He did it first so why shouldn’t I?*

Because we are getting something in return. It is what happens in negotiations.

Starmer is a political fool. He’s more like a manager than a politician.
Fishermen shafted along with giving in to movement with visas for 18 to 30 year olds amongst other things no doubt.
Farmers shafted, pensioners as well.

He’s doing his best to make sure Farage ends up in number 10.
Maybe he doesn’t like being PM after all.

Oreo

Starmer is a political fool. He’s more like a manager than a politician.
Fishermen shafted along with giving in to movement with visas for 18 to 30 year olds amongst other things no doubt.
Farmers shafted, pensioners as well.

Shafted? Why?

Their Fishing rights in our waters were due to end, now they have 12 more years.

Talks are happening right now, so we have to wait to see the news conference which is timed to be early afternoon to see what we gain/lose. It's expected we shall be able to sell far more agricultural products, for example, because its intended to reduce the barriers for trade across many areas.

On fishing I consulted google:

"The UK and EU have reached a new agreement extending reciprocal access to fishing waters until June 30, 2038,

a 12-year extension of the previous arrangement

This deal includes reciprocal access for EU vessels to fish in UK waters and UK vessels to fish in EU waters. The agreement also extends energy cooperation on a continuous basis. The agreement was confirmed on May 19, 2025.

Remember it allows us to fish in EU waters.

When the original agreement came into force it did mean less fishing, but the agreement was not simply based on who gets to fish where, but in order to control the depletion of fish stocks in over fished waters

There is an incredibly complicated system of licences which control what sort of fish can be fished where in order to prevent over fishing.

So, firstly, the is no change or loss on what we already have, despite the headlines in some of the press who are in "gotcha" mode: and all the details are yet to come out

Secondly the press totally fails to mention it's tied to dwindling fish stocks and the fact we have access to EU and other waters. The deal also means it will be easier for UK companies to sell the fish they do catch in EU countries

Thirdly the government does recognise its meant difficulties and "Later today the government will also unveil a “fishing and coastal growth fund”, which will be £360 million of investment in coastal communities.

I think we have to look at the deal as a whole not just fishing as we need to find out what it means in terms of security as well as trading.

Quotes are from the BBC newsfeed, which is reporting on all the different negotiations as they come out.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2jkz3d0drt
I'using the BBC as its an open access newsfeed and detailed.

Most of our fish thst we eat is fished in foreign waters. Most of the fish fished in British waters is exported to the eu, except that our waters have failed the test as far as shell fish is concerned and simplynot clean enough to be exported to the EU.

The red tape that the fishing industry has been facing since Brexit has been hugely damaging. Not only does it involve a lot of paperwork but also a vet to approve the catch. What took at the most 16 hours pre-Brexit now takes anything up to 28 hours to reach its European destination. This cannot be so attractive to the buyers.

Post Brexit, the fishermen did not receive any increase in quotas as promised, and where they did increase it was for fish that they didn’t want.

The result of this is that exports have fallen by over 100000 tonnes since Brexit. It has hit the small boat fishermen the hardest.

Half of U.K. quota has been sold to foreign interests and 2/3rds are in the hands of extremely wealthy owners. So we are not talking about your local friendly fisherman here when you shop in your local supermarket- far from it.

Remember that fishing accounts for 0.03% of our economy. Smaller apparently than our biscuit production.

Information gleaned from West Country publications

My word for him is traitor.

WWM says

"The red tape that the fishing industry has been facing since Brexit has been hugely damaging. Not only does it involve a lot of paperwork but also a vet to approve the catch. What took at the most 16 hours pre-Brexit now takes anything up to 28 hours to reach its European destination. This cannot be so attractive to the buyers"

This means that Britain can now process fish and export it in the UK which is previously was not able to do, because under terms negotiated by BJ, communities ended up setting up complex and costly veterinary certification to comply with Brexit export health and safety rules. These will go.

If the Eu can fish in our waters themselves why would they buy from our fishermen?

fancythat

My word for him is traitor.

Why?

Surely we need to look at the new EU/UK trade and security agreements as whole as to how they will grow our trade with the EU benefitting us all?

We aren't even waiting for the full results!

For example, this has just come up as news benefitting our fish industries

Scotland's salmon exporters hail 'breakthrough' deal with EU

""We congratulate the UK government on securing this deal with the EU which will slash red tape and the time taken to get premium salmon to market," says Tavish Scott, chief executive of Salmon Scotland.
"This breakthrough will ease the burden on our farmers, processors and the communities they support," he adds.

Scottish salmon is the UK’s largest food export

I am angry. Takes a lot to make me angry.

I also actually think Starmer does not want the Uk to be able to feed itself.