Fishing

LizzieDrip

^”Come on, do share where people should get their information from”^

Therein lies a massive problem in this country Mollygo. Our media, across all sectors, is predominantly right-leaning and anti-EU. The Murdoch owned media (which is most of it) is a case in point.

We also have a right wing propaganda TV outlet calling itself ‘News’.

UK media is largely funded by billionaire oligarchs pushing their own agenda. It no longer provides ‘information’; it promotes the views of the owners.

The media that ‘shouts the loudest’ and is in people’s faces is all biased. Facts don’t appear to matter; headlines and articles are based on emotion and hyperbole, not evidence and truth.

In order to get factual, genuine information today one has to trawl through research online, sifting out the cr**. Very few people will bother to do that, so they get their ‘information’ from biased sources … and believe it to be ‘true’.

Absolutely spot on.

I get that KS is unpopular, especially here, but goodness me, in the few days he’s been so ridiculously insulted on here.

The bottom line is BJ left us in a complete mess re Brexit, and KS has done some great negotiating holding very few cards.

Wyllow3

fancythat

My word for him is traitor.

Why?

Surely we need to look at the new EU/UK trade and security agreements as whole as to how they will grow our trade with the EU benefitting us all?

We aren't even waiting for the full results!

For example, this has just come up as news benefitting our fish industries

Scotland's salmon exporters hail 'breakthrough' deal with EU

""We congratulate the UK government on securing this deal with the EU which will slash red tape and the time taken to get premium salmon to market," says Tavish Scott, chief executive of Salmon Scotland.
"This breakthrough will ease the burden on our farmers, processors and the communities they support," he adds.

*Scottish salmon is the UK’s largest food export*

If you read the Scottish papers, it doesn't show much love for this traitorous deal.
Labour's Brexit reset is 'horror show for Scottish fishermen'
5 hrs ago
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So, Mollygo I take it that your option is UK media is largely unbiased, presenting truthful, reliable, factual information that can be taken on face value?

Fair enough, if that’s what you think.

I happen to believe that all the citizens of this country deserve better than the media we’ve got … even the busiest folk with hardly 5 minutes to spare. Indeed, perhaps they deserve an unbiased media most of all simply because they don’t have time to question.

I’m not laying the blame on the recipients of the media rubbish and propaganda. I’m laying the blame firmly where it belongs … with the media owners and their client journalists who, knowingly, spew out misinformation on a daily / hourly basis.

winterwhite

What’s proposed sounds a decent two-way deal to me. I think Starmer is doing well here.

He sold us out to get his "quick deal". This was a last minute cave in, otherwise he would have had no deal. Macron and van der what's her name must be laughing fit to bust.

Freya, I think Wwmk2 meant 'export it to the EU', not 'in the UK'.

Wyllow3

WWM says

"The red tape that the fishing industry has been facing since Brexit has been hugely damaging. Not only does it involve a lot of paperwork but also a vet to approve the catch. What took at the most 16 hours pre-Brexit now takes anything up to 28 hours to reach its European destination. This cannot be so attractive to the buyers"

This means that Britain can now process fish and export it in the UK which is previously was not able to do, because under terms negotiated by BJ, communities ended up setting up complex and costly veterinary certification to comply with Brexit export health and safety rules. These will go.

Your last paragraph,please do tell this to our huge fish processing market. We have the leading UK ports for fish imports and a vital link in the food chain. About 75% of the UKs seafood processing is done here, including every other fish fish finger eaten in the UK, this has been going on for many years, pre and post Brexit. The ports handle the largest imports of fish into the country., situated as it is and in much demand from Europe. They handle high quality seafood, from around the world, and are a global leader in the seafood trade.
We have a thriving sell straight to customer shops on the docks, where you can pick up a lovely piece of North Atlantic haddock for a bargain. We've always had fish from there, wether by us or Norway.
So I'm not really sure where your last paragraph is coming from. As its always been the case that we can and do sell and process seafood .

fancythat

My word for him is traitor.

The traitor was Johnson and his so called oven ready deal.

It's a quick read on the BBC and it would help if other news sources were not behind a paywall.

What takes the time is not actually reading it but summarising it on threads to engage with others and discussing it.

I think the key points that some of us are simply more interested in politics than others, is all.

My DS follows the main stuff and he and DiL are in full time jobs with 4 children

Very few people will bother to do that, so they get their ‘information’ from biased sources … and believe it to be ‘true’

So if you are working full time, or even part time, running a family with all that entails and find it hard to sit down and have 5 minutes to yourself, instead of sitting at home glued to a device with time to hunt down whatever will contradict the news in the media then according to LizzieDrip,
then you’re , “doomed, doomed” to always be in the wrong.

Marmin

Indeed, I look forward to tomorrow's Daily Mail and Express front pages. Complete hysteria.

Shall we see if they include the pluses, hey? and the real story of who actually owns a huge % of our fishing quotas? And the large grants? And the benefits to agriculture and defence?

Mollygo

^So how is it ‘giving away our waters’ … any more than Brexit did?^

Wow! *He did it first so why shouldn’t I?*

Such silly quote
The statement was he can't give anything away which is not already his. Which is a fact, He negotiated to make it better, which he achieved.

Indeed, I look forward to tomorrow's Daily Mail and Express front pages. Complete hysteria.

”Come on, do share where people should get their information from”

Therein lies a massive problem in this country Mollygo. Our media, across all sectors, is predominantly right-leaning and anti-EU. The Murdoch owned media (which is most of it) is a case in point.

We also have a right wing propaganda TV outlet calling itself ‘News’.

UK media is largely funded by billionaire oligarchs pushing their own agenda. It no longer provides ‘information’; it promotes the views of the owners.

The media that ‘shouts the loudest’ and is in people’s faces is all biased. Facts don’t appear to matter; headlines and articles are based on emotion and hyperbole, not evidence and truth.

In order to get factual, genuine information today one has to trawl through research online, sifting out the cr**. Very few people will bother to do that, so they get their ‘information’ from biased sources … and believe it to be ‘true’.

*A look at the over all deals by subject

Fishing

Farming exports

Defence and Security

Youth Experience Scheme

Passport E gates

Carbon tax

see by reading
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czdy3r6q9mgo

And a summary:

“This deal should solve some of the bureaucracy and red tape that Brexit brought on, in particular for food, farm and fish exports, and was one of the concrete promises of Labour’s general election manifesto.”

However, the UK’s trade with the EU is so colossal that it should be worth more than, for example, the India deal: £9bn a year by 2040, versus £5bn a year for India

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2jkz3d0drt for timeline reporting.

Mollygo

Wyllow3

😂 haddock not gap-dock....

And those are found in . . .
Come on, do share where people should get their information from.

Well here's one source on the next post: it's hard to find paywall free sources as I have tried: perhaps those will access to paywall sources which address the full points? All we have had are the negative headlines

fancythat

My word for him is traitor.

Havent read anything yet to make me change my mind.

Wyllow3

😂 haddock not gap-dock....

And those are found in . . .
Come on, do share where people should get their information from.

SaxonGrace

Too late, that’s our fishermen/women, farmers, steel workers, pensioners, our young folk, pretty much all of us except the wealthy that he has Mullered one way or another, all for the sake of the mythical £22 billion hole that has already been proved not to have existed

What absolute BS!

😂 haddock not gap-dock....

What are people supposed to read?

Well, for a start, it's only worth reading commentaries that have been written since the bigger picture has emerged. the grants to communities: the Salmon fishing picture.....

its only worth reading commentaries that factor in the selling off of our fish quotas abroad

its only worth reading commentaries that include the money released for communities

its only worth reading in depth articles that include the depletion of fish stocks so we realise that our cod and gap-dock cannot be fished in these contested waters anyway.

Teazel2

Wyllow3

EU fisherman also trawl those waters. It's about where you can catch what. The popular fish and chip fish cannot be caught in UK waters by anyone as the stocks are so low.

What it means is a change from small fishing boats for these fish to larger companies with larger boats and refrigeration facilities.

The depletion of stocks of fish the UK like by smaller local boats has been happening for years until it was recognised they were likely to disappear altogether, and its not EU rules that has stopped this sort of fishing, its over fishing for years.

I suppose if UK waters have been overfished and not producing the kind of fish we like to eat, it doesnt matter who else is fishing in our water anyway.

I think its a matter of making the best of what we can and do fish, and there is profit in selling it abroad, except we will now be able to process our catch into products and sell them abroad for added value profit.

But lets have a true picture of who fishermen and women are working for:

Under the last government

Half of U.K. quota has been sold to foreign interests and 2/3rds are in the hands of extremely wealthy owners

So what about the remaining small fishermen and women, and their communities:

Later today the government will also unveil a “fishing and coastal growth fund”, which will be £360 million of investment in coastal communities

The last government failed to support fishing in this way and is now turning and shouting - what hypocrisy.

This money could be spent not only on setting up local processing businesses but also allowing the remaining one third small fisherman to invest in the larger vessels that can travel to fishing grounds for the profitable cod and haddock.

Meanwhile Scottish Salmon is the UK’s largest food export has welcomed the deal as a breakthrough. Why are we ignoring this?

Cossy

I’ve skimmed through the recently produced news relating to the whole meeting and I think it’s very positive.

It’s certainly better than the mess the Tories left us with, re Brexit.

I don’t think, for some out there (& maybe on here too) Starmer can do a solitary thing right!

I skimmed through the newspapers and found this summary.
And now a look at the morning papers.

Several headlines speak of BETRAYAL as the government prepares it's deal with the EU."

DAILY EXPRESS quotes a Conservative against selling-out BREXIT "freedoms"

DAILY MAIL Sir Keir has been warned against binding the UK to EU rules

DAILY TELEGRAPH Labour MPs are worried the agreement will drive voters into the arms of REFORM UK and undermine last week's pledge to crack down on immigration.

TIMES talks about the deal are going down to the wire.

THE GUARDIAN reminiscent of BREXIT talks - British officials are still trying to reach agreement with their counterparts in Brussels.

...the usual running order
...^the usual weighting to right wing sources^

So what are people supposed to read?

Teazel2

Please do not give away our fishing waters Starmer!

We never did get our waters back.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

Wyllow3

EU fisherman also trawl those waters. It's about where you can catch what. The popular fish and chip fish cannot be caught in UK waters by anyone as the stocks are so low.

What it means is a change from small fishing boats for these fish to larger companies with larger boats and refrigeration facilities.

The depletion of stocks of fish the UK like by smaller local boats has been happening for years until it was recognised they were likely to disappear altogether, and its not EU rules that has stopped this sort of fishing, its over fishing for years.

I suppose if UK waters have been overfished and not producing the kind of fish we like to eat, it doesnt matter who else is fishing in our water anyway.

SaxonGrace

Too late, that’s our fishermen/women, farmers, steel workers, pensioners, our young folk, pretty much all of us except the wealthy that he has Mullered one way or another, all for the sake of the mythical £22 billion hole that has already been proved not to have existed

So Farmers I understand and those pensioners losing their WFA (many of whom didn't even spend it on fuel) m
How has KS “mullered” the rest?