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How long should a referendum be binding for?

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Grantanow Mon 19-May-25 10:08:28

Referendums are not binding on Parliament which is sovereign. They are advisory. Cameron foolishly said the Tory government would abide by the Brexit result.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 19-May-25 10:05:00

Or they could just say “sod it - Brexit is rubbish, it isn’t working, let’s try closer working and see if our economy benefits”

Whitewavemark2 Mon 19-May-25 10:03:44

M0nica

I agree with those who say referenda are not binding, so I will put the question another way.

For how long should any government feel bound to respect the wishes of the electorate as revealed in a referendum. When should they be free to make decisions about the governance of this country, including international treaties, without regard to a past referendum results?

I think that manifestos are the instruments by which future policies are indicated and on which we vote.

So if a political party says in its manifesto that the referendum is now redundant and we should seek closer union with the EU, people can vote for or against that as they wish.

eazybee Mon 19-May-25 09:57:59

I would say Referendums last as long as someone as self-serving, mendacious and duplicitous as Keir Starmer gains power.

Lathyrus3 Mon 19-May-25 09:52:06

Oh that could be misread. I was hasty.

It was in answer to your second question “When should they be free to make decisions about governance…….

Lathyrus3 Mon 19-May-25 09:50:44

Always I would say.

I don’t think referendums should be held to decide action, only to assess public opinion as a factor in reaching a decision.

M0nica Mon 19-May-25 09:47:00

I agree with those who say referenda are not binding, so I will put the question another way.

For how long should any government feel bound to respect the wishes of the electorate as revealed in a referendum. When should they be free to make decisions about the governance of this country, including international treaties, without regard to a past referendum results?

Lathyrus3 Mon 19-May-25 09:46:17

Not quite sure what you mean?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 19-May-25 09:44:05

Areas of the U.K. were/are not doing well because of our eu membership.

Areas are not doing well because of the structure of our society snd economy.

ronib Mon 19-May-25 09:42:48

David Cameron spoke of a once in a generation opportunity to hold a referendum so is the question how many years make a generation? Ten ?

Lathyrus3 Mon 19-May-25 09:41:21

I think they could achieve something.

You probably won’t agree with me but I think a cool analytical look at the distribution of votes re Brexit could have told a sensible Parliament that there were areas of the country who were not doing well in the EU, we’re deeply unhappy and that they needed to be given extra support.

I also think they could be the voice of ordinary people when politicians appear to be captured by a vociferous minority and are making extreme decisions that affect everyone just to please a few.

A litmus paper perhaps? But not binding. I don’t think they should be.

MaizieD Mon 19-May-25 09:36:38

My answer to your question would be 'I don't know', MOnica.

I think if you were going to have a referendum on something as radical as leaving the EU, or changing our system of voting, then it would seem wrong for the decision to be revisited in a relatively short time. All the upheaval that would be caused by a changed decision would be damaging to the economy, to our standing internationally and to our unity as a nation.

While this might look like an argument for persisting with Brexit, I would qualify it by saying that any future referendum should be properly run. The EU referendum was incredibly shoddily carried out; there are many lessons in 'how not to run a referendum' that could be learned from it.

I was only pointing out that,by the reasoning of the poster I was responding to, the 1975 referendum result should still stand. I wasn't seriously suggesting that it should, just trying to show the absurdity of the 'inviolable referendum result' argument.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 19-May-25 09:30:00

Lathyrus3

I don’t think referendums are binding?

No they aren’t. But for some weird reason the U.K. treated the Brexit vote as such.

Frankly all they achieve is division.

Lathyrus3 Mon 19-May-25 09:20:45

I don’t think referendums are binding?

Cossy Mon 19-May-25 09:18:47

I think it’s perfectly acceptable to have referendums every 10 years, they are not legally binding and this could and should be made clear to the “voting” public.

However, what the result re the EE we will never get reasonable terms and we simply cannot afford it, despite not saving any ££££ by leaving!

Whitewavemark2 Mon 19-May-25 09:15:44

keepingquiet

Referenda should be banned from now on. We are a representative democracy and we get to fire or hire every few years if we don't think the decisions made in your name.

Cameron only agreed to the 2016 referendum because he wasn't to stop the leakage to UKIP. What a plonker- see how that worked out.

Personally I would now vote for anyone who says they will pass a law banning referenda unless the rules of voting proportion are laid down.

Yes

keepingquiet Mon 19-May-25 09:14:23

Referenda should be banned from now on. We are a representative democracy and we get to fire or hire every few years if we don't think the decisions made in your name.

Cameron only agreed to the 2016 referendum because he wasn't to stop the leakage to UKIP. What a plonker- see how that worked out.

Personally I would now vote for anyone who says they will pass a law banning referenda unless the rules of voting proportion are laid down.

M0nica Mon 19-May-25 09:03:07

I brought this question up on a Brexit forum a few days ago and practically got hounded out of town. It was considered utterly irrelevant.

But actually, I think it is core to the debate about our relations with the EU, particularly as it is now 9 years since the referendum took place.

Parliamentary elections take place every 5 years, and we accept that after 5 years we may have changed our collective mind about which party we want to govern us, and that when we do that, the new governing party may well reverse some of the key policies of the previous government. We also accept, in a very grudging manner, that sometimes governments cannot deliver on their promises because events largely outside the government's control, makeit impossible.

So, if we think that we should all have an opportunity to vote for Parliament every 5 years, why should the results of a referendum be binding for more than 5 years?

In particular, since the referendum, around 6 million people have died. The majority will have been of voting age. Similarly about 7 million people have reached the age of 18, who were under that age in 2016, and the majority of these will be eligible to vote.

This is not an argument about how many of each age group voted or how, but if roughly 15% of the electorate at one end of the age range have disappeared to be replaced by as many or more voters the other end of the age range, then this can have a significant effect on the policies the electorate as a whole support. This is recognised in the fact that Parliament has to be re elected every 5 years.

So why should the results of a referendum be binding for a longer period than a Parliament and if you think it should be, how long should it be binding, 10 years, 50 years, 100 years and why?