Lucy Connolly appeal Rejected

But she's been saying - and the publicity and request for funding to restore her family life is all based on - how important it is to get back to quiet family life for the benefit of her girl settling.

How would being in the public eye help? the opposite?

And all her tweets would come out again - saying she'd lie to Ofstead, and the tweet made 4 days before Southport

"1. On 25 July, four days before the Southport murders, the applicant posted on X the following response to a video which had been shared online by Tommy Robinson, showing a black male being tackled to the ground for allegedly masturbating in public: 
“Somalian, I guess. Loads of them” 
That message was followed by a vomiting emoji.

(quote from court case)

So who would employ her on free speech, unless you think it's OK to be racist and violent?

OldFrill

I think she'll feature on topical TV programmes and other media and get paid work supporting freedom of speech organisations.

Good point!

Wyllow3

It will be an Ofstead/Childcare UK matter to decide if she wishes to re-register. Its not an automatic disqualification with a criminal record, its passing the DBS checks re children and vulnerable adults.

It's quite complicated. You can't pass/fail DBS checks. A prison sentence will appear on an enhanced DBS check for life. As you say, it will be up to Ofsted whether they allow her to re-register. It's possible they might allow it, although she would have to do diversity training. However, she would still need to show her certificate to anybody who wants to employ her and the certificate will have the conviction on.

In 2021 in her husband's register of interests to be a councillor, she was recorded as a complaint handler for Barclays Bank (as well as a childminder), so she has another possibility for employment.

I think she'll feature on topical TV programmes and other media and get paid work supporting freedom of speech organisations.

foxie48

Tyler Kay! That's interesting, he retweeted Lucy Connolly's post, apparently she had 9,000 followers! He gave some advice about how not to get caught but didn't actually take part in the riots, he got 38 months. He also suggested the offices of Immigration lawyers that should be burned down, pleaded guilty. No one seems to be suggesting he should get out early and he's got three young children.

That's my point. The difference is that he doesn't seem to have the right influence in the appropriate places.

It will be an Ofstead/Childcare UK matter to decide if she wishes to re-register. Its not an automatic disqualification with a criminal record, its passing the DBS checks re children and vulnerable adults.

Oreo

For all you know, she was a fabulous childminder who loves children, so yes, it is vindictive to cast doubt on that.
Are you going to interrogate all childminders for their views?
Not only is a prison sentence unfair but remarks about her personality and job capabilities are just adding to the witch hunt.

I believe they have to attend training and are checked regularly. Diversity training is part of this. A childminder must for example provide a range of toys which reflect a multicultural society.

Of course the government is only slashing sentences and looking into other means than prison as a way of punishment for many offenders as the prisons are bursting at the seams.
Still, it’s a move in the right direction.

foxie48

Fortunately it's not up to us to decide if LC is a suitable person to be a childminder. This will cover most childminders I think. tbh I think it's unlikely she would receive registration,

You must register as a childminder if all of the following apply:

the children are under the age of 8
you look after them for more than 2 hours a day
you look after them in your own home
you get paid to look after them - including payment in kind

Ofstead in this case:

"ITV News Anglia understands that Mrs Connolly has resigned her Ofsted registration and Childcare UK, a listings site for childcare providers, said: "Earlier today, we received information about a highly inappropriate tweet sent by a Twitter user unknown to us.

"Allegations later emerged that this individual may be an Ofsted registered childminder who had an advert on our platform. We took immediate action to suspend this advertiser."

www.itv.com/news/anglia/2024-08-07/childminder-and-wife-of-tory-councillor-arrested-for-inciting-racial-hatred

its also in the court report

"aware of a public backlash against her tweet of 29 July. She knew that the police and Ofsted had been tagged in some of the posts. She said that if Ofsted were to get involved, she would tell them it was not her and that she had been the victim of doxing (which we understand to mean the act of publishing private or identifying information about a particular individual, typically with malicious intent). She went on to say that if she got arrested she would “play the mental health card”.

Give a person a prison sentence and then take away their livelihood is that what a civilised society does?

Not only yours Doodledog and mine aren’t a witch hunt as I have never said anything bad about Lucy Connolly.I think she has been treated over harshly with the conviction and it’s very low to then go on to say things about her childminding.
As you can guess I’m very against a lot of prison sentences and the government are now being forced to come round to that way of thinking too.

Doodledog, they are so strict re alcohol now!

Fortunately it's not up to us to decide if LC is a suitable person to be a childminder. This will cover most childminders I think. tbh I think it's unlikely she would receive registration,

You must register as a childminder if all of the following apply:

the children are under the age of 8
you look after them for more than 2 hours a day
you look after them in your own home
you get paid to look after them - including payment in kind

Teachers can be sacked for posts on SM that are deemed to bring the school into disrepute - most hide their profiles so they can't be used against them. This is things like drinking too much on holiday, or comments about having a hard day at work that can be construed as disrespectful to the class that was taught that day - not about burning people alive.

No, of course I am not going to interrogate anyone. It's not my place to do so, but I am as entitled to an opinion, as you are. Why is mine a 'witch hunt' and yours just an opinion? Double standards?

I do realise as a childminder she would be self employed btw. I'm just introducing the idea that as part of someone's contract now they may have a SM check prior to being offered employment and those checks may be done regular when working with vulnerable people, including children. So there is whole load of people (myself included) who are careful about what they post online - even benign stuff.

People who work in education or care are subject to regular SM checks by their employers now. Ofsted will have their own rules regarding criminal convictions.

For all you know, she was a fabulous childminder who loves children, so yes, it is vindictive to cast doubt on that.
Are you going to interrogate all childminders for their views?
Not only is a prison sentence unfair but remarks about her personality and job capabilities are just adding to the witch hunt.

No not holier than thou comments, but comments about the suitability of a racist criminal to be in charge of young children.

And calling comments vindictive when excusing comments about burning people alive beggars belief.

Doodledog
No, clearly there are not people who think that the charge of incitement to murder or racism is acceptable but there are those who think that this woman could have been punished in a non custodial way. SM is still a relatively new concept where crime is concerned and she had no convictions whatsoever.
The UK jails more than any other European country and it’s high time other methods were used.
I see there are now on this page holier than thou vindictive comments about her childminding capabilities.
To borrow a good old Aussie word ‘Strewth!’

Tyler Kay! That's interesting, he retweeted Lucy Connolly's post, apparently she had 9,000 followers! He gave some advice about how not to get caught but didn't actually take part in the riots, he got 38 months. He also suggested the offices of Immigration lawyers that should be burned down, pleaded guilty. No one seems to be suggesting he should get out early and he's got three young children.

Does it not come under the dept. Of Ed somewhere?

Whitewavemark2

My point being is her influence over the children at such an incredibly important time in their development.

Clearly there are those who think that racism and incitement to murder is acceptable, so maybe she won't struggle to find people willing to let her indoctrinate look after their children.

My point being is her influence over the children at such an incredibly important time in their development.

But doesn’t she need some sort of “licence” to operate as a childminder? If not then imo that is a gap in the safety law.

Whitewavemark2

25Avalon

It would certainly show up on an enhanced DBS check but I’m not sure she would be debarred. It may be up to the employer and type of employment? Also dont convictions get spent at some time? She has not been proven a danger to children apropos safeguarding as such.

Blimey, a known racist who has served a term in prison, is hardly suitable child minding material. I would imagine that the parents of the children she had been minding must have been pretty horrified!

She was self-employed, so the contract of employment was with the parents. I don't think the offence would actually bar her from childminding, but the sentence would show up on the certificate and it would be up to individual parents whether they wanted to employ her.