People smuggler jailed.

melp1

If theres a risk of them absconding after the court has said they can't stay in the UK surely they should be kept somewhere secure whilst the paperwork for deportation is completed.
So many suggestions on here from ordinary people re this problem. I dont understand why people in a position to do something about this ie - government - are unable to do anything. The government just seem to be targeting legal immigrants. Why cant we have a similar system to Australia?

I think that they do, I googled it

"The vast majority of individuals awaiting deportation are housed in specialized detention facilities known as immigration removal centers. These facilities are designed to hold individuals awaiting decisions on their immigration status or removal"

Iam64 and others.

For some reason there are STILL people on here who (in my opinion) choose to believe that asylum seekers should stay in the "1st safe country ".

I think that surely people must understand the law eventually as it's explained SO often...
I'm not going to hold my breath though - given that upwards of 2 percent of Americans still believe the world is flat!

I tried to fin information on this Swampy and it appears we do fingerprint all arrivals

"Yes, irregular migrants are often fingerprinted as part of identity checks and security protocols. In the UK, anyone aged 14 or over who claims asylum or makes an irregular crossing of the UK border from outside the EU must be fingerprinted under Eurodac regulations. These fingerprints are checked against Home Office records to confirm identity. Additionally, individuals arriving by small boats across the Channel are subject to stringent checks, including fingerprinting, immediately upon arrival and again as part of the asylum intake process".

If theres a risk of them absconding after the court has said they can't stay in the UK surely they should be kept somewhere secure whilst the paperwork for deportation is completed.
So many suggestions on here from ordinary people re this problem. I dont understand why people in a position to do something about this ie - government - are unable to do anything. The government just seem to be targeting legal immigrants. Why cant we have a similar system to Australia?

The fact that we don't process theses people properly from the minute they step onto our shores is key here.
Airports have passport style machines that take photos of people as they travel. I realise that these people destroy their passports but they can still be photographed and fingerprinted by computers so that we can begin to build an individual profile and block criminals coming into our country and hopefully stop some people from having multiple names/nationalities.
We are, after all living in a computer age with all the gadgetry that can accommodate this so use it!

Iam64

How on earth has Labour ruined the country? It’s been the government for 10 months. The last lot had 14 years and caused so much damage.

Growstuff thanks for your post challenging the ‘safe country’ nonsense. I fear we are wasting our time though

I absolutley certain you are.

" Cherry picking" human beings?

Stomach turning.

How on earth has Labour ruined the country? It’s been the government for 10 months. The last lot had 14 years and caused so much damage.

Growstuff thanks for your post challenging the ‘safe country’ nonsense. I fear we are wasting our time though

I'm probably OK with being described as a "smiley faced, middle class, bleeding heart", actually.
I could be accused of being a do- gooder, too. The last accusation- maybe you'd have to ask those who know me...

Probably moddable, but I can't be bothered with provocative OTT word salads with bizarre unfounded accusations.

Pretty unpleasant post * WithNobsOnIt*

WithNobsOnIt - why do you think the backlog in processing asylum applications is Labour's fault?

I'd love to know!

The fact that he was still.waiting for a decision on Asylum says everything you need to know about Labour.

And their absolute long standing and deeply, rooted hatred of the decent English, white working class since Blair took office.

25 years is nothing and it will not surprise me if either he gets his sentence shortened. Or gets off on appeal, If he has a family. Supported by s bunch of very nasty, but smiley faced, middle class, bleeding heart liberal types. Twats masquerading as do gooders more like.

They have ruined this country!!!


Also the cost of his prison stay should be reimbersed back to us by the Egyptian Govt. As should all prison costs incurred by foreign governemt with any foreign nationals imprisoned in the UK.

Details:

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=why+do+deportatioons+have+to+be+agreed+by+country+recieivng&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

You can't send people back to France or anywhere else without permission of the receiving country.

This has nothing to do with the human rights issues/claims etc. All countries across Europe have the same issue, ie deportations have to be agreed with the country of destination.

FranP

What I do not understand is that they arrive from a safe country - France - they have travelled through other safe countries - Italy, Greece Spain - so they are not in danger there, so why are we not bouncing them back to claim there. If a Frenchman pitched up on our shores asking to stay, we would send him packing.

We are short of a number of occupations, why are we not going to the camps and cherry picking English speaking professionals

I agree about them being sent right back over to a safe country such as France but regarding cherry picking the best of them, well how long do you think it would take to get false papers drawn up saying they were brain surgeons or the like and then disappearing as soon as they had the chance once they were on our shores.

FranP

What I do not understand is that they arrive from a safe country - France - they have travelled through other safe countries - Italy, Greece Spain - so they are not in danger there, so why are we not bouncing them back to claim there. If a Frenchman pitched up on our shores asking to stay, we would send him packing.

We are short of a number of occupations, why are we not going to the camps and cherry picking English speaking professionals

1 Nobody is obliged to stay in the first "safe country" - that's a myth. If it were true, countries with a Mediterranean shoreline (and others) would be inundated.

2 Under international law, refugees' right to be granted asylum is based on the danger they face in their home country, not on the usefulness to the UK.

We are short of a number of occupations, why are we not going to the camps and cherry picking English speaking professionals

Because " they" are human beings?

I think the people in the camps don't neccessarily have their passports, ID documentation, qualification certificates etc because the manner of their arriving there means that they basically journey with what they can carry.
If we accept them without documentation, on their word of their qualifications / experience, we are likely to get a lot of people who can't do the job we went over to cherry-pick them for.

Other European countries are increasingly discouraging/removing illegal immigrants. A day or two ago I read in either The Times or The Telegraph about Denmark's clamp down. The government there realised what damage large scale immigration was doing to the country. Quite remarkable what Denmark has achieved.

What I do not understand is that they arrive from a safe country - France - they have travelled through other safe countries - Italy, Greece Spain - so they are not in danger there, so why are we not bouncing them back to claim there. If a Frenchman pitched up on our shores asking to stay, we would send him packing.

We are short of a number of occupations, why are we not going to the camps and cherry picking English speaking professionals

Sadgrandma

I don’t understand why he was allowed to stay if his asylum application had been rejected. Why wasn’t he deported immediately especially given his criminal record. Am I missing something?

The way it works is that they go to court and get refused, but until the court then do paperwork for the deportation order they can appeal again and again. The final arrest warrant is then issued but by then they have walked out of court and disappeared. You could not make it up!

It is not a given that a criminal will be deported unless the sentencing judge is a) given the information that they are non-nationals and b) thinks to add deportation to their sentence

JennyCee

Why can’t we just make them work ? Other countries do
All that money spent on Rwanda and how many illegals immigrants sent there?

People seeking asylum are not permitted to work. In some cases even volunteering is problematic.

They are not allowed. So despite being an eye surgeon, a farmer ,a nanny....they languish for years in "the system"

JennyCee

Why can’t we just make them work ? Other countries do
All that money spent on Rwanda and how many illegals immigrants sent there?

I agree it would be best if there were supervised work schemes, but that does cost an awful lot to set up.

Would the public actually pay that, or welcome it despite the extra cost?

Why can’t we just make them work ? Other countries do
All that money spent on Rwanda and how many illegals immigrants sent there?

Can't blame them for taking advantage of our weakness and unutterly blind stupidity!