Israel to Conquer Gaza part 2.

Maremia

It's a bit like, 'What's the point of voting? I don't make a difference'
Think I prefer to be part of the 'critical mass' that is building up just now.

No it isn’t the same at all.
In any case MP’s can’t do anything but acknowledge how you feel.

It's a bit like, 'What's the point of voting? I don't make a difference'
Think I prefer to be part of the 'critical mass' that is building up just now.

When there is mention of demonstrations in London immediately that Met police officer comes to mind, a Jew wearing a kippah and leaving a synagogue was described
by the officer as ‘ openly Jewish ‘ !

Good luck with the march, silverlining. Just stay safe, and have an exit strategy.
What's that famous quote about all it takes for evil deeds to succeed, is for good people to stay silent? Hope someone is going with you.

And joining a demonstration for the pro Palestinians means inevitably that you’ll be rubbing shoulders with hamas supporters too.

Writing to your MP about the war in Gaza is a waste of time, it may make you feel better but will achieve precisely zilch.

Yet many changes have come through mass actions when people do speak up, in fact its arguable many wouldn't have happened without it.

As regards this war I do see a critical mass building up and any little pushing in the right direction is better than not. Sorry silverlining health wise its impossible I have to remain a keyboard warrior.

One last word on numbers from me, if 29 children were murdered in Israel by hamas members and 30 taken captive that’s 59 children dead.Any child over the age of 10 doesn’t stop being a child.

Maremia

Headlines this morning on BBC online, BBC online, Israeli tanks open fire near Gaza ais Centre. Further into the article, the Red Cross Hospital in Rafah reports 150 injuries.
Allira, not my business which country you belong to, but here in Britain we have local politicians to whom we can write to express concern about local and international issues. Same applies to our own reps in Westminister. Best way to do this is to pose your communication as a question, because that requires an answer.
If you have ever followed the Amnesty International protocol, say for their 'Prisoners of Conscience' campaigns, you used to purchase that wee blue air mail letter, and write to whoever they suggest. Always stay polite, just as we are on here, so most of us would be in the zone for that. AI also ask that you let them know if you have had a response. It helps them to target their resources.
And no, personally, I would not write to Netanyahu or Hamas. A better destination, in my opinion, would be the Israeli Ambassador to the UK, again, asking a polite, but pointed question.

Allira, not my business which country you belong to, but here in Britain we have local politicians to whom we can write to express concern about local and international issues. Same applies to our own reps in Westminister. Best way to do this is to pose your communication as a question, because that requires an answer.
My goodness, patronising or what?

And - how will that change anything?
Cloud cuckoo land if anyone thinks that will make a jot of difference in this war.

For your information I wrote to my previous MP and he was always quick to respond, in full, after asking questions of the relevant Minister or Department on home and international questions.

Our new MP is rather invisible.
Incidentally, I emailed and wrote to Ed Milliband at least twice when he was a Minister in 2008 and am still awaiting a reply. Perhaps they got lost in the post.

That’s illegal settlements of course. I know you will be aware of this already Wyllow, but many aren’t. Some are not even sure of the difference between Gaza and the West Bank.
These latest 22 settlements is a huge land grab which Israel has agreed. How many more Palistinians will lose their homes and lands for these illegal settlements.
Has anyone watched Basel Ardra’s films, I think it was No other Land, well worth watching. It won best international film recently and he went to USA to receive the award. On his return to the West Bank they were beaten up by settlers while the Israeli police or maybe army, not sure, just looked on.
People need to be aware this has been happening on the West Bank, palistinian land, for years. People are dying there too. Every day, it’s a stain on us all, as our governments stand by and say nothing. Thank goodness people all over the world world have woken up to the inhumanity of it all.

On that subject I am thinking about attending the next demonstration in London, 21 st June. If anyone else is interested please pm me. It’s been 45 years since I last demonstrated at Greenham, so I am rather out of practice.

I think matters re aid and questionable targeting, of extending settlements on the West Bank, have now reached a point of awareness and concern that flooding MP's of any background is worth doing. With specifics, what are you doing to raise it with the government and demanding discussions

We are probably aware thats there is more point raising it with some than others, there is always the option of sending directly to cabinet members too.

And that's how we go from being Keyboard Warriors in this forum, to the real world.
Yes, I think lots of their responses are formulaic, and the reality is that often your letter gets no reply.
Another twist you can employ is to send your question on a postcard. That way lots more folk get to read your point.

Hamas wants changes to the ceasefire agreement, terrorists
demanding ‘my way or no way’.

I wrote to my MP this week, and got a reply the following morning. I am trying to work out whether it is a template formula letter or if he actually read it himself and responded. Does anyone know how these things work.

It’s easy to find the House of Commons email of your MP, just google and up it pops. Even if nothing changes at least he knows that people care enough to write to them.
If everyone who is concerned did the same they would have to take notice. Whether they want to or not.

Headlines this morning on BBC online, BBC online, Israeli tanks open fire near Gaza ais Centre. Further into the article, the Red Cross Hospital in Rafah reports 150 injuries.
Allira, not my business which country you belong to, but here in Britain we have local politicians to whom we can write to express concern about local and international issues. Same applies to our own reps in Westminister. Best way to do this is to pose your communication as a question, because that requires an answer.
If you have ever followed the Amnesty International protocol, say for their 'Prisoners of Conscience' campaigns, you used to purchase that wee blue air mail letter, and write to whoever they suggest. Always stay polite, just as we are on here, so most of us would be in the zone for that. AI also ask that you let them know if you have had a response. It helps them to target their resources.
And no, personally, I would not write to Netanyahu or Hamas. A better destination, in my opinion, would be the Israeli Ambassador to the UK, again, asking a polite, but pointed question.

Wyllow3

Just to point out that silverlinings figures were for children under 10, Allira's quote (I checked) didn't give the ages of the children in their fact check so not comparable unless we know.

But the continuing - "my crisis was worst than yours" -apart from understanding how understanding how intractable it is and being au fait with best information right now - how is it helping the plight of all innocents right now in moving forward?

I agree.

One horror does not negate another.

Quote Maremia Sat 31-May-25 21:51:15
AnnieB, just to be clear, do you feel that the posts about daily deaths of children in Gaza are not true? Or am I not understanding your posts?
Yes, those two wee Israeli children did not survive their horrendous ordeal.
But neither did Hind, all alone in that car.

In war children are killed in war children, women and men
are killed,fact, the numbers given by Hamas ? I don’t know

Which politicians would those be?
Netanyahu? Hamas?

Really?

The only way our posts could help is by inspiring some folk to take these facts and figures into the real world and make contact with politicians.

Maremia

AnnieB, just to be clear, do you feel that the posts about daily deaths of children in Gaza are not true? Or am I not understanding your posts?
Yes, those two wee Israeli children did not survive their horrendous ordeal.
But neither did Hind, all alone in that car.

Why keep on?

It helps no-one.

Not helping at all Wyllow3.

Nothing posted on Gransnet is going to help ^ in moving forward?^ is it, or in the slightest.

It's just people disputing facts and figures.
These facts and figures are real people.

AnnieB, just to be clear, do you feel that the posts about daily deaths of children in Gaza are not true? Or am I not understanding your posts?
Yes, those two wee Israeli children did not survive their horrendous ordeal.
But neither did Hind, all alone in that car.

Just to point out that silverlinings figures were for children under 10, Allira's quote (I checked) didn't give the ages of the children in their fact check so not comparable unless we know.

But the continuing - "my crisis was worst than yours" -apart from understanding how understanding how intractable it is and being au fait with best information right now - how is it helping the plight of all innocents right now in moving forward?

I am doing no such thing, I am saying that the violent murders of 40 babies asleep in a nursery did not happen , but is constantly repeated in its horrific detail by one particular poster.
It may not be true but was repeated by news media and by President Biden, not just one poster on Gransnet.