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Israel to Conquer Gaza part 2.

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Wyllow3 Fri 23-May-25 18:50:20

this continues an ongoing thread on Gaza

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/a1347791-Israel-to-conquer-Gaza?msgid=31157292#31157292

The O/P read (in part)

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the population of Gaza will be displaced to the south after his security cabinet approved an expanded military operation in the enclave that a minister described as a plan to “conquer” the territory.

The vote on Sunday came hours after the military said it would mobilize tens of thousands of reservists, strengthening its capacity to operate in the besieged Palestinian territory.

“One thing will be clear: there will be no in-and-out,” Netanyahu said in a Monday video message posted on X. “We’ll call up reserves to come, hold territory — we’re not going to enter and then exit the area, only to carry out raids afterward. That’s not the plan. The intention is the opposite.”

We now have the aid crisis at the focus of world wide attention.

AGAA4 Sun 22-Jun-25 14:47:17

Claremont

No, which is what Silverlining clearly experiences.

Marches are always open to risk and can turn nasty quickly so those orthodox Jews are brave.

Claremont Sun 22-Jun-25 14:42:29

No, which is what Silverlining clearly experiences.

AGAA4 Sun 22-Jun-25 14:28:38

They must be strongly against Netanyahu as it could be risky for them on the marches Claremont.

Claremont Sun 22-Jun-25 14:23:42

Netanyahu stated very clearly in 1978 that he believed that Palestinians do not deserve to have a State.

Orthodox Jews, who are clearly Jewish due to their attire and hair, are totally opposed to Netanyahu, and support Gaza in large numbers on marches.

Anniebach Sun 22-Jun-25 13:57:04

Very brave being “openly Jewish “ , no verbal abuse !

silverlining48 Sun 22-Jun-25 13:55:10

Thank you Oreo. Yes it was hot.
I don’t think Orthodox Jews have to serve do they? Though that could change in future

I thought it was brave because they could have faced abuse given everyone was supporting Palestine, but thankfully as far as I could see, there was none.

Oreo Sun 22-Jun-25 13:38:42

silverlining48

I was at yesterday’s march in London and was astounded at the many thousands of people of all nationalities and ethnicities gathered in the unforgiving heat in central London. I found it quite emotional. It was a long slow walk from Russell Square in the heat and by the time we got to Downing Street people were just starting the walk from Russell Square.
I felt perfectly safe at all times. I neither saw nor heard ant trouble the whole day. A grouping of orthodox Jews fully dressed in hats and coats who just have been so hot, were there with us, many clearly appreciated their presence.
Minimum policing throughout the march, counted about 20 police officers over the whole march in all, in groups of 4 or 5 chatting together taking little notice of us.
I am so glad I went.

Well, am glad you survived the heat.
Many Orthodox Jews won’t support any military action or serve themselves.They’re happy to have other Jews do it all for them of course.

Oreo Sun 22-Jun-25 13:35:59

growstuff

Don't bother with the link - I found it.

Here's the headline:

"Flash Survey: 70% of Israelis Support the Decision to Attack Iran | Segmentation Shows Strong Support Among Jewish Israelis (82%) While Most Arab Israelis Oppose the Operation (65%)"

That's not quite what you wrote Oreo.

82% of Jewish Israelis agree with the attack.
65% (nowhere near all) of Arab Israelis oppose the attack (no idea if the remaining 35% have no comment or agree).

en.idi.org.il/articles/59726

It’s just about what I said.😄

Anniebach Sun 22-Jun-25 13:16:01

Surely the PM and cabinet are aware of the thoughts of the people

silverlining48 Sun 22-Jun-25 13:10:57

Signed

Claremont Sun 22-Jun-25 12:44:12

No, but if a MASSIVE number of people sign and share- it may send a strong message to Starmer. Worth a try, for sure.

silverlining48 Sun 22-Jun-25 12:36:40

Thanks WWM and Claremont.
I will certainly sign the petition hoping for peace and common sense prevails.
But not holding my breath sad

Claremont Sun 22-Jun-25 12:33:37

AGAA4

Well done silverlining48!!

Oh yes, thank you.

Please sign the petition to ask Starmer not to support Trump n this illegal war

stoptrump.org.uk/petition-trump-iran/

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jun-25 12:21:16

silverlining48

I award you the medal of hope and peace 🏅🏅🏅🏅

Well done indeed!

silverlining48 Sun 22-Jun-25 12:19:02

Thanks AGAA4 I thought I might be one of only a few older people but there were plenty of us. There was a good mix of ages, both young and old.
I met an older woman who had come by train on her own from Crewe just for the march. What a star.

AGAA4 Sun 22-Jun-25 12:07:28

Well done silverlining48!!

silverlining48 Sun 22-Jun-25 12:00:57

Meant to say the age spread of the marchers was between small babies in wheelchairs and people even older than me and every age in between. It was truly heartening.

silverlining48 Sun 22-Jun-25 11:57:56

I was at yesterday’s march in London and was astounded at the many thousands of people of all nationalities and ethnicities gathered in the unforgiving heat in central London. I found it quite emotional. It was a long slow walk from Russell Square in the heat and by the time we got to Downing Street people were just starting the walk from Russell Square.
I felt perfectly safe at all times. I neither saw nor heard ant trouble the whole day. A grouping of orthodox Jews fully dressed in hats and coats who just have been so hot, were there with us, many clearly appreciated their presence.
Minimum policing throughout the march, counted about 20 police officers over the whole march in all, in groups of 4 or 5 chatting together taking little notice of us.
I am so glad I went.

Maremia Sat 21-Jun-25 21:24:40

So, Oreo, are you actually saying you agree with breaking with Geneva Convention?

growstuff Sat 21-Jun-25 18:32:35

Don't bother with the link - I found it.

Here's the headline:

"Flash Survey: 70% of Israelis Support the Decision to Attack Iran | Segmentation Shows Strong Support Among Jewish Israelis (82%) While Most Arab Israelis Oppose the Operation (65%)"

That's not quite what you wrote Oreo.

82% of Jewish Israelis agree with the attack.
65% (nowhere near all) of Arab Israelis oppose the attack (no idea if the remaining 35% have no comment or agree).

en.idi.org.il/articles/59726

growstuff Sat 21-Jun-25 18:27:50

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

The marches are always very peaceful.

There seems to be a huge Jewish contingent marching alongside Iranians, carrying both Palestinian, Israeli and Iranian flags.

In Israel in a poll carried out 82% percent agreed with the attacks on Iran.
Naturally Israeli Arabs voted against it.

Why do you write "naturally"? Iranians aren't Arabs. Saudi Arabia and Iran are enemies. Iran supports Hamas for strategic reasons, but not all Israeli Arabs support Hamas.

Who carried out the poll? Do you have a link to it?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 21-Jun-25 18:22:03

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

The marches are always very peaceful.

There seems to be a huge Jewish contingent marching alongside Iranians, carrying both Palestinian, Israeli and Iranian flags.

In Israel in a poll carried out 82% percent agreed with the attacks on Iran.
Naturally Israeli Arabs voted against it.

That has always been the case, but I’m unclear what that has got to do with the March in London😀.

Oreo Sat 21-Jun-25 17:22:49

Whitewavemark2

The marches are always very peaceful.

There seems to be a huge Jewish contingent marching alongside Iranians, carrying both Palestinian, Israeli and Iranian flags.

In Israel in a poll carried out 82% percent agreed with the attacks on Iran.
Naturally Israeli Arabs voted against it.

Oreo Sat 21-Jun-25 17:20:51

Maremia
Unfortunately your own plans wouldn’t do anything to rid Gaza of hamas.
The question is what do you think the IDF should have done differently which would have killed big numbers of hamas?
And the answer is that you don’t know but it’s easy to say what you think they’re doing is the wrong way.
Hamas uses civilian infrastructure to hide themselves and their weapons and in the vast network of tunnels which criss cross just about the whole of Gaza.If it was as easy peasy as you so blithely claim then it would have been done.

Maremia Sat 21-Jun-25 14:50:18

Oreo, I would happily share my plans to tackle the threat of Hamas, but guess what, I don't have the experience, skills, training, armaments, munitions, technology, surveillance equipment, intel, military support that is available to the IDF.

Instead I will tell you what I would and wouldn't do.

I wouldn't break the terms of the Geneva Convention.

I would respect the beliefs and faiths of other religions, and not deliberately target/snipe at their churches, temples and places of Sanctuary.

I would not use starvation as a weapon of war.

I would have allowed the rescue of tiny little Hind, a four year old girl, of no threat to anyone, by letting her be rescued by those two brave paramedics, in their clearly marked rescue vehicle.

I would have avoided bombing hospitals, and instead used my top-notch spy equipment to destroy the Hamas tunnels that snake for miles outwith the environs of medical facilities.

I would respect international conventions, and desist from targetting Journalists.

I am sure you will agree with that part of my 'suggestion', yes?

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