Trump sends "Free Speech Squad" to UK.

JaneJudge

It is more than a shame that men are still making decisions about women's bodies.

Not everyone is upset to have an abortion. For some women it is a relief

Absolutely, and should be their choice, no one else, them!

NotSpaghetti

Re free speech the new news is his release of words Trump says not to use!
They include female, solar power, elderly, diesel, nuclear energy and abortion...
I thought that was quite extraordinary!

Scroll down the link for the actual (legible) list!

pen.org/banned-words-list/

Thank you........

" The New York Times published a list of words banned by federal agencies. Additional terms were reported by Reuters, The Washington Post, Propublica, Science, Gizmodo, 404 Media, Popular Information, Politico’s E&E News and the nonprofit news outlet More Perfect Union.

This one is helpful as it gives details of how they were banned and what they were ordered to replace words with.

www.eenews.net/articles/fema-memo-replace-noncitizen-with-alien-remove-climate-from-documents/

"The FEMA memo, titled “Recovery Guidance for Terminology Changes,” was sent Feb. 19 to employees in FEMA’s recovery directorate, which oversees disaster recovery.

“To comply with Executive Actions and DHS memos to remove language from policy and doctrine concerning gender, DEI, immigration and climate change, please replace and/or remove the terminology listed below,” the memo says.

The first section of the memo lists seven words such as “noncitizen” and their replacement terms. The second section lists 10 phrases that are “climate change terminology to remove,” including phrases such as “changing climate,” “climate resilience,” and “net zero.”

The third section lists 17 words and phrases that are “DEI terminology to remove” including “inclusion,” “gender identity,” “marginalized” and “social vulnerability,” which entered FEMA lexicon during Trump’s first presidency.

The fourth and final section lists “recommended language” such as “building a resilient nation” and “whole community” and citing federal laws related to civil rights and disaster programs.

It is more than a shame that men are still making decisions about women's bodies.

Not everyone is upset to have an abortion. For some women it is a relief

AGAA4

I noticed that that long list of banned words includes woman/women but not men?
The list shows so much prejudice.

"Men" is on the list.

Is the whole list a spoof?

I noticed that that long list of banned words includes woman/women but not men?
The list shows so much prejudice.

Dickens

With family living in California and gay friends living in Connecticut I know many many people in the USA do NOT support Trump and his administration.

To them he’s a very frightening clown!

The whole abortion issue is simply horrifying! Those supporting banning it are not “pro-life”, they are “anti-abortion”! Where’s the extra assistance, help and support for these poor women and their “unwanted” babies, living in poverty, or with the knowledge that their babies were formed through rape, incest and abuse.

The whole thing absolutely sickens me!

windmill1

Maremia

I think, quite honestly, that Trump has dementia. So many signs. He can't finish sentences. Falls asleep in important and televised meetings. Uses 'substitute' words. There is one video where he is handing out awards, but can't open what looks like a simple lift the lid jewellery box. Has to be prompted about what he is signing. Keeps saying 'I don't know about that'.

Hmmm, signs of dementia or outright lunacy - eternal rambling, breaking off sentences and not finishing, looking here, there and everywhere and bizarre physical gesturing as if he's playing an imaginary concertina.

Then throw in his profound and unshakeable belief that any criticism of himself is "Fake news! Fake news!" and it becomes plain that a dictatorial fruitcake is treating the world as his personal fiefdom.

... and it becomes plain that a dictatorial fruitcake is treating the world as his personal fiefdom.

Very succinct, and so true. BTW, I'm stealing dictatorial fruitcake.

I heard someone say that Trump is a legend in his own mind. He constantly refers to himself in the third-person ('illeism' - I had to look it up).

These are actual quotes / tweets:

"Remember what happened during the [2016 New Hampshire primary]? Trump should come in third or fourth, and we came in easily at number one."

"Nobody’s been tougher on Russia than Donald Trump."

"There’s never been a president like President Trump."

... and his tweet on 'The Apprentice'...

"The Apprentice was the #1 show on television last season on Sunday from 10 to 11 - congratulations Donald!"

I'm imagining how the British public would react if a Prime Minister behaved similarly. I think he would be mocked mercilessly - by those of all political stripes. We certainly seem to have a completely different mindset to our American cousins.

Re free speech the new news is his release of words Trump says not to use!
They include female, solar power, elderly, diesel, nuclear energy and abortion...
I thought that was quite extraordinary!

Scroll down the link for the actual (legible) list!

pen.org/banned-words-list/

Vance is vile, but the MAGA folk, a very powerful consideration, do not adore him.

If Trump does have to go on health issues then Vance will step up. I believe he already has a great deal of influence over Trump.
Vance in charge would be even worse than Trump.
He overstepped his position in the Zelensky interview by attacking him. Vice presidents would never do this unless asked to by the president.

Okay, he doesn't smoke or drink alcohol, but he is 78, only exercise is golf, he is overweight, eats a poor, over processed diet, seems to always be angry, which could give him high blood pressure.
They were quick on the mark with his diagnosis of 'bone spurs' but are ignoring his dementia, possibly because they will lose all that power and money if he is removed from office.

Maremia

I think, quite honestly, that Trump has dementia. So many signs. He can't finish sentences. Falls asleep in important and televised meetings. Uses 'substitute' words. There is one video where he is handing out awards, but can't open what looks like a simple lift the lid jewellery box. Has to be prompted about what he is signing. Keeps saying 'I don't know about that'.

Hmmm, signs of dementia or outright lunacy - eternal rambling, breaking off sentences and not finishing, looking here, there and everywhere and bizarre physical gesturing as if he's playing an imaginary concertina.

Then throw in his profound and unshakeable belief that any criticism of himself is "Fake news! Fake news!" and it becomes plain that a dictatorial fruitcake is treating the world as his personal fiefdom.

He is also making it his business to question the Lucy Connolly case.

Trump's administration takes issue with people reading The Handmaid's Tale, along with many other books (The Color Purple, The Kite Runner, If Beale Street Could Talk, etc, etc, etc. So many books have been removed from schools and public libraries - so much for "free speech". This man is stupid and dangerous - and he should restrict his hate-filled ravings to his own country and leave us alone.

I believe women have the right to make decisions about their own bodies. Some disagree but I don't believe they have the right to impose their beliefs on others.

AGAA4

I think you are right. Vance is a malign influence.

Vance is a malign influence.

In one respect, he is more dangerous than Trump, I believe. He is articulate - able to string a sentence together, and (my guess) probably ambitious. And vengeful in a particularly spiteful way - the way he addressed Zelensky, the derisory comments he's made about Europe and Britain, indicate he's a nasty piece of work.

... and his obsession with 'free-speech' is laughable - he must know surely that no-one is telling pro-life campaigners that they can't pray or say what they think... just not in the faces of those women going into clinics.

These right-wing Christian nationalists, spouting about the sanctity of a foetus - in a country that has significant and persistent child poverty, at a higher rate compared to other nations; who would even insist that girls little more than children themselves as victims of incest carry a pregnancy to term... IMO are more about establishing the male hierarchy over women by removing their ability to control their own fertility (Musk proposing via social media to impregnate various women FGS!).

I wish I would live long enough to see the names of Trump, Vance and Musk - and that individual whose name I've forgotten who has said that women should NOT go into higher education but focus on having babies instead - disappear into the annals of history. Alas, at 83, I won't.

AGAA4

Interfering in another country's laws and regulations is appalling. Trump needs to sort out the messes in the USA before telling the UK how to behave.
The safety of women obviously means nothing to these people. If they want to put their own women's lives in danger that's up to them but how dare they come here to do the same.

Interfering in another country's laws and regulations is a constant - since the beginning of nations, thousands of years ago. Thats how the Mans World spins.

Interfering with a woman's care of her own body, medical choices and reproductive rights is appalling regardless of her location on the planet IMO.

"During a podcast interview in January 2022, then-Senate candidate JD Vance said he “certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally,” described himself as “100 percent pro-life”, and was “sympathetic” to the view that a national ban was necessary to stop people from traveling across states to access an abortion.

lets face it, this is what its all about. Dressed up as a major"free speech" (as per befits a person wanting to abolish Habeas Corpus) dressed up as "they were only praying", dressed up as a fact finding mission (when the US anti abortion groups are active in the UK and the facts are known)

its the misogynist USA hardliners trying to intervene in our own abortion laws, hard fraught for by women, after centuries of death and injury and shame by back street abortion

I think you are right. Vance is a malign influence.

I think I sniff Vance behind it. Here's a more easy to read article on it

www.christiantoday.com/news/trump-state-department-staff-meet-with-uk-pro-lifers-arrested-for-silent-prayer

population needs to go down not higher

Wyllow3

This investigation team isn't to do with an election visit, however, or even a group from the USA informally visiting abortion campaigners (which undoubtedly happens, since the campaign to challenge and break the boundary rules is US connected already:

Its an official delegation from a government trying to interfere with our laws, our boundaries.

Its an official delegation from a government trying to interfere with our laws, our boundaries.

I wonder how Trump's administration would re-act if we sent a similar government delegation to the US to challenge their abortion laws relating to 'free speech'?

Would they even get past Passport control?

Perhaps we should turn the delegation away on arrival on the basis that they are challenging our Law and are therefore liable to incite unrest, or even violence?

The sheer arrogance of Trump and his administration is stunning! I'm sure Vance and Musk have had a hand in it...

Trump is the man who will not allow the return of a wrongfully arrested and deported US citizen from the worst prison in San Salvador(?), who is evicting all foreign students from US universities because they might beChinese spies.

Magenta8

I am not sure I really understand the meaning of freedom of speech. Does it only apply to people who share your opinions?

Can you really say anything you like, however disgusting, threatening, racist or sexist it is?

Should liberalism and wide cultural awareness be stamped out in universities in the name of freedom of speech?

Should certain books be banned or even burned?

Is writing on a public forum that it would be a good idea to set fire to hostels containing live people acceptable?

To say I am confused is an understatement.

It’s not confusing really.

With freedom comes great responsibility, so freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom itself, all has to be done within the law.

This investigation team isn't to do with an election visit, however, or even a group from the USA informally visiting abortion campaigners (which undoubtedly happens, since the campaign to challenge and break the boundary rules is US connected already:

Its an official delegation from a government trying to interfere with our laws, our boundaries.

Maremia

How do you feel about Farage and Co going across the pond to tell the Yanks to vote for Trump?

Same principle applies.

The Labour volunteers, Farage & Co, may all be acting within the legal constraints - but, it just doesn't sit well with voters I don't think.

The Left is very much under fire at the moment, and certainly Starmer's LP is since winning the election. They need to be on the ball and not have these blind spots which can be exploited by the RW media. I understand the reason why the volunteers went over to the USA - and it has been done before so this wasn't a precedent... but I don't think it was very savvy.

As for Farage - well he's a Law unto himself. But I do wonder if the voters in Clacton, and especially those in Jaywick, might prefer he spends more time in his constituency - this 'man of the people'. Or maybe they are cheering him on, or don't care either way - who knows?