Women in the US been downgraded

I honestly don’t know how I would have reacted as the Grandmother just after my daughter died and suspect we would all have chosen different outcomes.The wishes of her family and the Father of the baby should have been taken into account of course.
This particular State says over 6 weeks of pregnancy is the limit.
Where should the line be drawn in poster’s opinion?

growstuff

If I were the grandparents of this child, I think I might say the same because I always tend to think positively and make the best of whatever situation I'm in. Nevertheless, if I'd been involved in any plans when the daughter died, I would have asked the medics to let the unborn child die. I find the idea of using the dead woman as a human incubator grotesque, apart from the very high risk that the child will be born with significant disability. I wouldn't regard the grandparent's positivity now as unqualified endorsement of what's happening.

Agreed Growstuff.

If I were the grandparents of this child, I think I might say the same because I always tend to think positively and make the best of whatever situation I'm in. Nevertheless, if I'd been involved in any plans when the daughter died, I would have asked the medics to let the unborn child die. I find the idea of using the dead woman as a human incubator grotesque, apart from the very high risk that the child will be born with significant disability. I wouldn't regard the grandparent's positivity now as unqualified endorsement of what's happening.

Having read the story now, tho not through the given link (am a bit fussy about links) the mother of the pregnant woman says that they want the baby as it’s a part of her daughter and have named him Chance.The baby is now 22 weeks and growing well and doctors will deliver the child through Caesarean in August.What the mother does say is that the hospital/State should have given them the choice in the first place, even tho they do want the baby.
I read the story in The Guardian.

The baby still has a parent and a brother (and grandparents).

MaizieD we simply don’t know what health conditions this poor infant will have. It hasn’t been born yet.

ronib

AI says otherwise Growstuff

One of your more frightening posts, ronib.

AI is known to be unreliable. It ca be inaccurate and even make things up.

Heaven forbid we are entering a future where 'AI says it' is a clincher....

ronib

AI says otherwise Growstuff

Peer-reviewed articles state that hydrocephalus can be treated if caught early, especially in adults. However, they also state that babies born with hydrocephalus, which has developed "in vitro" are at very high risk of brain damage. That's not surprising because the brain develops more before we are born than afterwards.

AI is often wrong. Al the AI that comes up on my computer has a hazard warning.

'Treatable' meaning someone who has it can recover and continue living. This not the same as saying they can recover and have no side effects. The main side effect is significant brain damage.

The baby does not need to be put up for adoption, its dead mother was part of a family who still care about her and this in-vitro child.

AI says otherwise Growstuff

ronib

Fluid on the brain is treatable. I hope the baby has good health and actually lives a full life. Presumably the baby can be put up for adoption?

Most babies born with hydrocephalus have permanent brain damage.

The decision to subjct this woman to this degrading treatment was a medical decision following the relevant state passing laws banning abortion.

Doctors consulted lawyers who said that if they did not do all they could to protect the foetus, despite the death of its mother, they could be prosecuted under the new law.

It is truly dreadful. If I lived in that state I would seriously consider relocating to protect my children if nothing else. Heart goes out to that family.

completely against nature, so wrong to be using the body as a robotic machine.

Fluid on the brain is treatable. I hope the baby has good health and actually lives a full life. Presumably the baby can be put up for adoption?

Adriana Smith might have received proper medical care and be alive today if she were not a black woman in the US.

Even though she was a nurse, she did not receive a CT scan when she needed one. She requested medical care but was sent home with blood clots in her brain. Im not a doctor but this sounds like malpractice.

The baby being grown has fluid on the brain.

Oreo

I haven’t read the link article but am sure that either her DH or partner or parents think what she would have wanted is the safe delivery of her baby.It’s also about saving a life, the baby.
It’s the last good thing that the poor girl can do.

You should have read the article.

nanna8

How can a foetus survive if the mother is receiving no nourishment and is dead? They must be ‘feeding’ the baby in some way. It really beggars belief and if a child is born how will this affect he or she growing up, knowing these circumstances? It is like a horror film.

The mother is being maintained on life support in order to maintain the fetuses health. The family will be responsible for the cost of the hospital. An average cost in ICU is $2000 per day. They are raising money to help cover this.

My mother spent about 2 months in ICU and the total hospital bill was over $1 million dollars. Luckily, she had insurance to cover the majority of it.

I haven't looked but I am going to safely assume that the insurance this woman had stopped covering her as soon as she was declared braindead. Insurance does not cover unborn children, only the mother.

So this woman and her family are being forced, against their wishes, to pay to keep their loved one alive for a baby that will be born with defects that they will then be responsible for caring (and paying) for.

The worst part of this is that there is no enforcement mechanism of the law. If the hospital had let her and the baby died when she was 9 weeks, the State would have had little recourse against it.

I saw a headline about Farage and an abortion policy. I hope this case is a study of what happens when abortion is outlawed.

In the article her mother has spoken

It’s torture for me,” her mother, April Newkirk, told 11Alive. “I see my daughter breathing, but she’s not there

It also occurs should family members make comments on the law they may face charges. They aren't free to speak up against the actual ruling. They may be forced to care for a very sick child who might not live long.

It is appalling, horrifying, Gilead, monstrous, experimenting.

As Imaround says, it may be used again and again.

'when' should read 'men' in my post🙄. Autocarrot has a mind of its own, doesn't it?

There are no words, are there?

A few years ago, women started saying that our rights were being rolled back. We stopped being a sex in our own right and became a 'gender' that when could opt into, so there was nowhere we could go to be on our own as a sex, and no point in having separate categories in areas where being male is an advantage. Equality laws were seen as disadvantageous to men. Women started abusing other women who spoke up about sex abuse and other forms of misogyny. Victims of rape were seen as grasping if their rapists were rich/famous.

Did anyone think it would get as far as it has, though?

I really despair for future generations of women. At my age (66) I am grateful to have lived most of my life in a time when there was very definitely sexism and women were disadvantaged (particularly in my younger days) but not outright misogyny that is legally sanctioned in so many parts of the world. I always assumed that my daughter and any future granddaughters would have a better time than I did, but I seriously doubt it now.

We have to fight to stop it coming here, and Reform will absolutely bring this sort of thing if it gets a chance.

How can a foetus survive if the mother is receiving no nourishment and is dead? They must be ‘feeding’ the baby in some way. It really beggars belief and if a child is born how will this affect he or she growing up, knowing these circumstances? It is like a horror film.

Adriana Smith died in February but will be kept on life death support until August. The family had no input into the decision to keep Adriana on life death support, Adriana's mother, April Newkirk, said the family would have liked to have been at least included in the decision making process. Meantime the family are desperately trying to raise funds, it's not clear if they have to pay for the current life death support and subsequent caesarian or not.
It's not clear, but it seems there would be no legal repercussions had the hospital let Adriana and her son die naturally. The law doesn't seem to state that a corpse has to be an incubator. The hospital have not explained their decision making process.
There's a GoFundMe.

Once it is done one time?

How do you know that men will not be using corpses to populate the planet against the will of women?

Oreo

I haven’t read the link article but am sure that either her DH or partner or parents think what she would have wanted is the safe delivery of her baby.It’s also about saving a life, the baby.
It’s the last good thing that the poor girl can do.

I.disagree Oreo. The.mother should have been allowed to die with the feotus. It is nature-made, natural, non-medical, void of useless nonsensical manly intervention