It looks like Trump now has his Stormtroopers (Stoßtruppen)

Anyone can be armed in the US, just a fact of life.
The amount of videos online that are real/ made up/ downright confusing means that I don’t always jump to any conclusions.
It’s your country and you do things differently there, even when the awful Trump wasn’t the President.

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Really Oreo? How many ICE officers have been shot by an illegal.

Is that why it took over 20 agents to arrest a single unarmed woman while her children were in the car watching?

That video is out there is you cared to look. It would have been bery clear to you if you had seen it.

By ignoring the facts to for your narrative, you are showing us who you are.

That is why we should take so seriously ANY instance if our law makers breaking the law - whatever it is.

We can see it everywhere we look now.

MaizieD

California has the 5th largest economy in the world. It votes Democrat. It is home to celebrities who make no bones about criticising Trump. Apparently Trump has no love for California.

I think he would like to crush California...

I imagine he feels this is the only way he can subjugate them. They are not going to vote for him.

Whitewavemark2

No oreo it isn’t the same. If you are looking at the footage, you would know it isn’t the same.

The footage isn’t clear.

Am all for things being done humanely but the fact that illegal workers could well be armed ( a bit different in the UK!) then those in the US doing the raids will tend to be on the rougher side. Many things are done differently there, their police are nothing like our police.
As to the legality of sending the National Guard there, I guess that will be debated.

Rights in the US Constitution are enumerated by personhood, not citizenship.

I am going to say this again.

The federal government is currently violating constitutional rights and breaking the law.

That is not ok. Ever. No matter what country it is in.

The federal government has been found to be acting illegally MULTIPLE times and been ordered to return wrongly deported people.

Once they start blatantly breaking the law and violating rights, no one is safe.

No oreo it isn’t the same. If you are looking at the footage, you would know it isn’t the same.

AGAA4

Oreo you can't seriously believe that what is happening in the US just now equates to our police doing a raid on a nail bar where they know for sure there are illegal immigrants.
Nor do our police use rubber bullets and tear gas.

They were doing a much bigger operation I know, but still much the same ( it isn’t police here doing raids btw it’s Border Force type units, Immigration Officers.)
And without any of our renowned politeness of course.

Oreo you can't seriously believe that what is happening in the US just now equates to our police doing a raid on a nail bar where they know for sure there are illegal immigrants.
Nor do our police use rubber bullets and tear gas.

imaround

I am loving the "but we have raids and it is fine".

To be frank, we have laws and rights in this country that are being broken and violated by these raids. Just because something is ok in the UK, doesn't mean it is ok to do here.

I am not sure why that concept seems so hard to understand.

Yes our border force does raid property, but the big difference is that those deemed to be illegal are deemed so as a result of due process of the law. They are not bundled onto planes or whatever and sent to some god awful prison. Never to be seen again.

Presumably it’s the relatives that started the protests?
Do illegal workers in the US have Constitutional rights?
I suppose any raid is frightening and worrying for them but if there illegally they must kind of expect it?
It’s done here all the time as there are so many nail bars and Turkish barbers and such that are often fronts for money laundering.

No. I prefer the laws of this country NOT be broken by the federal government.

They do not even know if all of these people are illegal or not because they have not been given due process. Several of these migrants have been ordered to be returned to the US because they were wrongly deported.

The problem isn't that they are conducting raids. It is that they way they are doing it is violating people's Constitutional rights AND THE LAW.

If you are OK with your government breaking the law and violating your rights, that is up to you. We don't take to kindly to that in the US, which is why they are protesting in the first place.

Would you prefer all illegal workers were never bothered by the authorities then imaround?
All countries including yours and ours do raids on premises to arrest and perhaps deport.
It’s the only way to apprehend them.

I am loving the "but we have raids and it is fine".

To be frank, we have laws and rights in this country that are being broken and violated by these raids. Just because something is ok in the UK, doesn't mean it is ok to do here.

I am not sure why that concept seems so hard to understand.

The National Guard are nothing like the Nazi stormtroopers and it's nonsense to say otherwise. Given the degree of violence in LA the police chief has said he has re-evaluated his view in favour of using the NG.

Whitewavemark2

The video of a mother being violently arrested with her young child looking on gets me. Presumably they left the child?

Trump appears to be only hitting Democrat areas. Other Republican areas with a large Latino population is being left alone. We will see if this continues.

In some cases the children are left on the street. In others, the children were detained and deported with their family members despite the children being US Citizens. In one case, the child's father, also a US Citizen, was actively trying to find the child to take custody of him and was unable to due to lack of cooperation by the government.

Let's not forget that it was Trump who started separating families at the border during his first term. There are still "missing" children that have never been reunited with their families.

www.hrw.org/news/2024/12/16/us-lasting-harm-family-separation-border

David49

These riots started because Border Force in the US raided businesses looking for illegal migrants, this is exactly what Border Force do in the UK. The UK also restricts economic migrants from coming here from overseas they have to be the workers we need

Has anyone any evidence of the National Guard actually getting involved in riot control, the images I have see they are guarding government buildings and other areas, they are dressed in Camouflage uniform it’s the police that are dressed in black wearing body armour that are in the front line.

I understand the Democrats not liking being usurped in this way but it’s their policy of condoning illegal migration that has caused the problem. The US is in exactly the same position as the UK we want to control migration, is anyone going to say we should have an open doo to economic migrants?.

It’s my understanding of the situation too, once all the anger and confusion is stripped away.
The National Guard aren’t there to attack or arrest civilians but to protect ICE and the buildings.
Whether it was neccessary to call them in is another matter and one which will be uncomfortable for Newsom as it suggests he’s failing at his job.
Now of course it’s any excuse will do to enjoy a bit of anarchy.
The original protesters have their ranks swollen by others who I bet don’t give two hoots about illegal migrant workers.
Eventually they’ll get tired and go home.
We have raids on shops and various businesses here to do the exact same thing, catch illegal migrant workers and those caught up in the slave trade.

Here is Trump himself saying he hopes Blue States disappear off the map.

youtu.be/zCsBAxBSaXI?si=QluLtyySbMxezlQL

His and Musks DOGE have targeted Blue States for funding cuts.

Here he is saying he wants to withhold funding for parts of California.

www.cnn.com/2025/06/06/politics/trump-california-federal-funding

He signed some memo directing ICE to target so called Sanctuary Cities.

He is absolutely targeting Blue States. He needs to remember, though, that the blue states pay in a whole lot more money then red states do.

Apologies, David for passing misinformation.

Smileless2012

Could they do so?

As they have the 5th largest economy in the world and the state is larger than many countries, in theoretical terms they could survive as an independent entity.

I seem to recall that when the Southern States attempted to secede from the Union in the 19th C it caused a civil war...

Sorry, it is a Blue Sky Link. This is the best quality one I have found.

This is excessive force.

bsky.app/profile/democracyactionnet.bsky.social/post/3lr5go54be22j

The video of a mother being violently arrested with her young child looking on gets me. Presumably they left the child?

Trump appears to be only hitting Democrat areas. Other Republican areas with a large Latino population is being left alone. We will see if this continues.

The BBC has a good video of one of the journalists being shot with a rubber bullet.

She was obviously press, there was no danger around her or directed towards the man that shot her.

The article itself is about another journalist shot in the leg. He says he was clearly identified as press as well.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg7vzrj6g3o

Scroll to the bottom for the video.

I am going to see if I can find a link to the video of police hitting a protestor on the ground with sticks. It is disgusting.