Israel attack on Iran

Israel have been supporting Muslim Brotherhood which morphed into Hamas, since the 1970's in order that Palestine didn't become a one party state under the PLO which Israel deemed might well negotiate a two- state solution backed internationally.
There was a difficult situation when Hamas were elected & Hamas paramilitaries were targeting Fatah supporters in Gaza & driving them out, but Israel's support helped Hamas win the election in the first place.

No need to be snippy. We know you're a supporter of Netanyahu so will agree with everything he has done and is doing.
That's your opinion and of course you are entitled to it as others are to theirs.

AGAA4

I haven't been in that position Oreo so how would I know. Probably handled things better though.

I bet

In your view and others too, but certainly not everyone by a long chalk.

I haven't been in that position Oreo so how would I know. Probably handled things better though.

Oreo

AGAA4

Netanyahu's support of Hamas meant they received huge amounts of money. It all blew up in Ocober23 when so many Israelis lost their lives.

Supporting hamas meant splitting up different sides and was a gamble.How would you have fared I wonder being tasked with opposing Palestinian factions vying for power?

Netanyahu’s aim was to keep the two Palestinian factions apart by funding one side.

Netanyahu is dead set against a Palestinian state if any sort whatsoever, and his aim is to rid the region entirely of the original owners of the land.

Because of his actions he has guaranteed violence and dissent in the region for generations. The man is a menace.

AGAA4

Netanyahu's support of Hamas meant they received huge amounts of money. It all blew up in Ocober23 when so many Israelis lost their lives.

Supporting hamas meant splitting up different sides and was a gamble.How would you have fared I wonder being tasked with opposing Palestinian factions vying for power?

Netanyahu's support of Hamas meant they received huge amounts of money. It all blew up in Ocober23 when so many Israelis lost their lives.

AGAA4

I agree Whitewave.

Trump is now wavering saying I may do it or I may not in reference to helping Israel.
He has proved himself to be a weak leader. A strong leader would make an informed decision not faff around.

To be a strong leader you need to have an overview of the issues and take expert advice on the complexities. Trump can't do the first because he's thick & won't do the second because he thinks he's too clever to need advice.

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Parsley3

www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
Well this was a real eye opener for me. Netanyahu supported Hamas for years! I needed to look at the truth of this but there are so many links to prove the facts that I have chosen one at random to post. It is the people of Israel who have paid the price for this self serving policy as WWM2 shows in her Wikipedia extract.

As far as I am concerned Netanyahu is an evil number 1 b…….d

Well, you would think that wouldn’t you? As all of your comments are pro Palestine.

That’s unfair.

If Israel go in hard, with the support of Europe, there should be no need for Trump to say yay or nay, surely? Isn't it enough that the USA supply the arms.

Parsley3

It's quite a big deal to support Hamas and therefore allow it to to grow strong enough to attack your own people.

They were supposed to be running Gaza which is what they wanted, were elected at the start by the people there.Gaza had free elections.

The Times of Israel

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from.

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

David49

Whitewavemark2

The news is just suggesting that Trump will be making a significant decision within the next few hours.

So the question is whether the USA gets involved in hostilities or puts pressure on Israel to pull back.

Or even I suppose try to resurrect the talks with Iran - I doubt that though.

Now Israel has started he won’t tell them to pull back -they wouldnt take notice if he did.
My bet is either an ultimatum to Iran or direct action to bomb the nuclear sites

David49 I would like Trump to give the order to have direct action, go in strong and bomb the underground nuclear sites.
It’s a chance now to break the regime or at the least put the mad mullahs back in their box.

It's quite a big deal to support Hamas and therefore allow it to to grow strong enough to attack your own people.

Oreo

What’s the big deal about supporting hamas in the past? It’s one crazy extremist group over another even more crazy extremist group when there isn’t a real choice.

What crazy extremist groups are you talking about?

And do you understand that it is thought by Israeli intelligence, that Netanyahu,’s support of Hamas led to Oct23?

Quote Oreo Wed 18-Jun-25 15:58:43
What’s the big deal about supporting hamas in the past? It’s one crazy extremist group over another even more crazy extremist group when there isn’t a real choice.

Supporting the government the people voted into power,

Whitewavemark2

AGAA4

I agree Whitewave.

Trump is now wavering saying I may do it or I may not in reference to helping Israel.
He has proved himself to be a weak leader. A strong leader would make an informed decision not faff around.

I suspect that Trump and his advisors along with other countries in the Middle East as well as the inspectorate know full well that Iran was not on the brink of producing a bomb, which is why they are dithering. Although if push comes to shove Trump will support Israel I am sure.

Israel has attacked Iran for its own (Netanyahu’s) nefarious ends. People will die in Iran and Israel because of this lie.

How do you know what Iran was on the brink of?

What’s the big deal about supporting hamas in the past? It’s one crazy extremist group over another even more crazy extremist group when there isn’t a real choice.

Whitewavemark2

Parsley3

www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
Well this was a real eye opener for me. Netanyahu supported Hamas for years! I needed to look at the truth of this but there are so many links to prove the facts that I have chosen one at random to post. It is the people of Israel who have paid the price for this self serving policy as WWM2 shows in her Wikipedia extract.

As far as I am concerned Netanyahu is an evil number 1 b…….d

Well, you would think that wouldn’t you? As all of your comments are pro Palestine.

AGAA4

I agree Whitewave.

Trump is now wavering saying I may do it or I may not in reference to helping Israel.
He has proved himself to be a weak leader. A strong leader would make an informed decision not faff around.

I suspect that Trump and his advisors along with other countries in the Middle East as well as the inspectorate know full well that Iran was not on the brink of producing a bomb, which is why they are dithering. Although if push comes to shove Trump will support Israel I am sure.

Israel has attacked Iran for its own (Netanyahu’s) nefarious ends. People will die in Iran and Israel because of this lie.

Trump just doesn’t have any expertise in diplomacy and I would assume he’s surrounded himself in yes men and not experts.

I agree Whitewave.

Trump is now wavering saying I may do it or I may not in reference to helping Israel.
He has proved himself to be a weak leader. A strong leader would make an informed decision not faff around.

Parsley3

www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
Well this was a real eye opener for me. Netanyahu supported Hamas for years! I needed to look at the truth of this but there are so many links to prove the facts that I have chosen one at random to post. It is the people of Israel who have paid the price for this self serving policy as WWM2 shows in her Wikipedia extract.

As far as I am concerned Netanyahu is an evil number 1 b…….d

David49

“Netanyahu has no interest in bringing regime change, he has no plan apart from eliminating any potential nuclear threat, which we know is not there.”

Would you like to explain why Iran has built a massive underground plant for enriching uranium has consistently refused inspections and has prepared a weapons facility inside a mountain.

Don’t you know, or is it your rather bumbling way of disagreeing?

Well, Iran has not consistently refused inspections. It has been inspected every years since (I need to look that up). In March I think it was, Iran withdrew from the non-proliferation agreement. As you no doubt are aware that is an organisation that Israel has constantly refused to belong to, being only 4-5 countries out of over 200 refuse to belong to the treaty. So from that point of view Iran has been more compliant than Israel.

With regard to nuclear power.

You must look at this as two separate issues.

1. The development and use of nuclear power, which is a sovereign state initiative and which many countries in the world are developing.

2. The development of enriched uranium to over 90% in order to be used in nuclear weapons. This is what is the subject of yearly inspections.

That is why the USA is so keen to reach an agreement.