Israel attack on Iran

Sorry! Grumpy old woman syndrome.

It was Trump who said "let them fight it out" on BBC news this morning. Not me!

Maremia

My apologies Allira, as I amended upthread, it was for AGAA4's comment about Trump, 'let them fight it out'. He said the same about Ukraine.

Ok!

Well, it looks as if the word diplomacy has left the dictionary. ☹

My husband says that so much comment these days is a word salad…. I think he has a point.

Yes , but Jeremy Bowen , BBC journalists?

The BBC has just offered two more apologies
he BBC has issued two separate apologies over antisemitic content published by its Arabic service – including a video that falsely claimed Jews spit on Christians as part of a “holiday ritual” and an article that appeared to equate ancient Jewish rebels with 9/11 suicide bombers.

One of the pieces, a BBC Arabic video report published on 5 October 2023, alleged that religious Jews spit at Christians during Sukkot as part of traditional observance. The caption originally read: “Spitting and assault on Christians and harassment of Muslims on the Jewish holiday.” It was later amended to: “Some observant Jews consider spitting on Christians a holiday ritual.”

Annie, if the Israeli government allows international journalists in to Gaza , maybe there would be independent figures to consider.
As they do not, then our sources of information are, of course, one sided.

Anniebach

Quote Whitewavemark2 Mon 16-Jun-25 12:54:19
AGAA4
Maremia
Or it could be a distraction from all of the criticisms about the genocide in Gaza.
I have wondered that too. The plight of the people in Gaza has been overshadowed by this war.
8 people were apparently killed yesterday when queueing for food.

Hamas figures yet again

Hamas figures again.

I am sorry Annie, but this is intolerable. All the deaths, all the pain, all the starving and suffering - and you just reply

'Hamas' - so that's OK. No it is not, it is intolerable. It is illegal, it is a genocide.

Claremont

The ex UK Ambassador to Iran

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What I am so sorry about is the fact that Israel is acting with impunity. The UN and its members recognise that Israel is acting illegally and yet………

The ex UK Ambassador to Iran

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Quote Whitewavemark2 Mon 16-Jun-25 12:54:19
AGAA4
Maremia
Or it could be a distraction from all of the criticisms about the genocide in Gaza.
I have wondered that too. The plight of the people in Gaza has been overshadowed by this war.
8 people were apparently killed yesterday when queueing for food.

Hamas figures yet again

Oreo Trump was on BBC news this morning saying "let them fight it out".

Apart from the focus being taken from the genocide there will be more and more deaths to add to the Natanyahu government's tally. Israelis are being killed too.

AGAA4

Maremia

Or it could be a distraction from all of the criticisms about the genocide in Gaza.

I have wondered that too. The plight of the people in Gaza has been overshadowed by this war.

8 people were apparently killed yesterday when queueing for food.

AGAA4

A diplomat speaking for Iran on Sunday said that Iran was serious about a deal. Strange that Israel attacked just before that could happen.

Yes The Times of Israel has been reporting the talks over a period of time. Those due to take place this week between the USA and Iran were the 6th round.

I suspect that Trump was hoping to achieve an agreement, because he could then claim to have done better than Obama. 🙄

Maremia

Or it could be a distraction from all of the criticisms about the genocide in Gaza.

I have wondered that too. The plight of the people in Gaza has been overshadowed by this war.

Putin will certainly have advised the regime that Trump and entourage can easily be strung along.

Oh well, if an Iranian regime person said they were serious about the talks, then I totally believe it.🤔

Or it could be a distraction from all of the criticisms about the genocide in Gaza.

A diplomat speaking for Iran on Sunday said that Iran was serious about a deal. Strange that Israel attacked just before that could happen.

AGAA4

Interesting that Trump said this morning that he would "let them fight it out" if there was no deal. He is probably annoyed that Israel went ahead without US approval.

We have no idea if that’s true or not and what’s said in public and in private are two different things.

Whitewavemark2

AGAA4

Interesting that Trump said this morning that he would "let them fight it out" if there was no deal. He is probably annoyed that Israel went ahead without US approval.

There are all sorts of rumours flying around about what Trump did or didn’t know, but looking at the lead up to Israel’s bombing, I think it is a safe bet that Trump didn’t know.

Trump was well on the way to achieving an agreement with Iran, which would have at least have given the IAEA continued control. Israel’s actions have now achieved Iran’s withdrawal from the IAEA, and I suspect ensures that Iran will develop nuclear capability as quickly as possible, given that so much of its military capability has been degraded over recent months.

Opinion and guesswork?

Trump wasn’t and isn’t well on the way to achieving anything as the last six months have shown.His talk about deals are just talk.
Iran will want to continue as fast as possible of course, in pursuing nuclear but nothing in that way can now progress quickly, which was the object of Israel’s plans.

Ah, I see what's happened. Annieb posted in between so it looked as if I was referring to her word.

My apologies Allira, as I amended upthread, it was for AGAA4's comment about Trump, 'let them fight it out'. He said the same about Ukraine.

Maremia

Also, does that quote imply that he has 'done his best'.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Goodness, fast moving! That post was in reply to Anniebach's