Israel attack on Iran

Parsley3

Absolutely right Whitewavemark2. The rules that were set up have been discarded and unfortunately nothing is unthinkable.

When the chips are down rules go out of the window, Israel takes the threat to destroy them very seriously, ultimately they will fight with everything they have got.

Its simple if Israel is destroyed there is nothing left to blame, it’s all gone

Now this one is not for AnnieB. It is an unsubstantiated, and disputed, post on Times of India, viewed on Facebook, that Netanyahu has flown to Greece.

Thanks GNs for the info about the weapons.

AGAA4

The UK has control of its nuclear weapons. The PM decides if they are to be deployed

Sorry I meant to quote Maremia

Crossed posts

AGAA4

The UK has control of its nuclear weapons. The PM decides if they are to be deployed

The U.K. doesn’t have codes for its nuclear weapons like the USA.

The Prime Minister has the final say, the Captains on the submarines each have their own set of orders in the event of needing to launch a nuclear missile.

The UK has control of its nuclear weapons. The PM decides if they are to be deployed

Going back to the point about the UK being a 'nuclear' state. Do we have actual control of any of these weapons, or do we rely on our allies in the USA for the codes?

Absolutely right Whitewavemark2. The rules that were set up have been discarded and unfortunately nothing is unthinkable.

Except it isn’t is it?

We set up international rules after aWW11 to control how countries behaved

But now

War without impunity seems to be the order of the day.

nanna8

Which country is the only country in the world which has deployed not one but two nuclear bombs against an enemy ?

Unthinkable these days, as would be carpet bombing civilians as we did in WW2

Which country is the only country in the world which has deployed not one but two nuclear bombs against an enemy ?

The so called “Bunker Busting Bomb” weighs 13 tons the Israelis don’t have an aircraft to deliver it so the US would have to do it.

As an alternative to the Israelis using a nuclear device it’s probably a better choice

An easy deal? Well go ahead and make one, Mr President. The world awaits.

Too late for deals but this war needs to be kept between Israel and Iran. If US, UK or other European bases are targeted then that draws NATO into the war.
The US insists that there was no imminent danger from Iran.

Okay Donald - what is with the easily? Please spell it out. We must be missing a trick or two?

Parsley3

America has a decision to make. Will it supply the weapons to destroy the bomb or not? The prospect of making a deal is long gone so what will Trump do now?

This.

We have 4 nuclear submarines each with 16? Missiles, each of those have multiple warheads.

The capability is that but they do not necessarily carry the full number at all times.

Claremont

Nuclear proliferation was always the massive risk- it was always clear that some nations would never accept that the 'West' was somehow allowed to have them, and other not. And that MAD (Mutual assured destruction) would only work for some time.
The development since of smaller, tactical and very targetted smaller nuclear weapons, that some believe could deliver a 'small and limited' nuclear attack have made that obsolete, and so has proliferation to the Middle-East, Russia, China and beyond. And to some States that were previously so called trusted Allies, and now have turned rogue states partly due to their new leaders, like Trump, Putin, KimJung and Netanyahu, and others. Proliferation was always going to happen, and was always going to be beyond massively dangerous. And the UK agreeing to have nuclear weapons on our soil for the USA puts all at increased risk.

Some of us tried in the 70s and 80s to explain- but it all fell on deaf ears.

US nuclear arms in UK makes no difference, we ARE a nuclear power
We have 4 nuclear submarines each with 16? Missiles, each of those have multiple warheads. The deterrent value has served us well for 75 yrs, our entire lifetimes and I’m pretty confident that will continue.

The UK is sending jets to support our bases in the area not to aid the attack by Israel.
Rachel Reeves has said we have defended Israel in the past but would not be involved in an attack.
That would put us on a war footing with Iran if UK are involved.

Nuclear proliferation was always the massive risk- it was always clear that some nations would never accept that the 'West' was somehow allowed to have them, and other not. And that MAD (Mutual assured destruction) would only work for some time.
The development since of smaller, tactical and very targetted smaller nuclear weapons, that some believe could deliver a 'small and limited' nuclear attack have made that obsolete, and so has proliferation to the Middle-East, Russia, China and beyond. And to some States that were previously so called trusted Allies, and now have turned rogue states partly due to their new leaders, like Trump, Putin, KimJung and Netanyahu, and others. Proliferation was always going to happen, and was always going to be beyond massively dangerous. And the UK agreeing to have nuclear weapons on our soil for the USA puts all at increased risk.

Some of us tried in the 70s and 80s to explain- but it all fell on deaf ears.

America has a decision to make. Will it supply the weapons to destroy the bomb or not? The prospect of making a deal is long gone so what will Trump do now?

Oh bum! I should have read the subsequent posts

Sorry to repeat😊

David49

AGAA4

Iran have warned the US UK and France that if they give aid to Israel they will attack their bases and ships.

The UK is staying out of this and France too I think. Not sure if the US are helping to shoot down missiles from Iran.

Iran is over playing their military power, they may have an estimated 2000 missiles that can reach Israel, if they are sending 200 at a time, most of which get shot down they won’t last long. In the meantime Israel seems to be attacking at will because Iranian defenses are so poor, if they do attack the US the retaliation will be massive.

Iran claims to only have a peaceful nuclear programme, so why are they hiding it deep inside a mountain, why are they denying inspectors access. Israel should get on with it and stop Irans nuclear threat with US help if needed.

I have been reading that because of their weakened military power, this attack by Israel and the failure of an agreement with the USA on nuclear, that it is almost certain that Iran will double its efforts to become a nuclear power.

Apparently the main bombing production is at the moment too deep for Israel to attack it - they would need assistance from the USA

Hiding the bomb deep inside a mountain means it will be hard to destroy. Israel have killed some of the scientists working on the bomb which will delay it being ready.
Iran with a nuclear weapon is very worrying.

Exactly- poking a dangerous bear rarely works. From Iran's pov it makes total sense.