Israel attack on Iran

Whitewave
Trump did not know of Israel’s plan, he was hoping to conclude the deal next week. In fact he said so.

When it was said here yesterday that Trump was involved in
the attack on Iran you didn’t disagree , today you say he wasn’t
involved,

I read threads like this one knowing that some of the shock over the situation we are in comes from those who voted for anti-democratic extremists. Why are people so suprised? If you vote on the basis of who entertains you the most, treating you like a small child at Christmas, what do you expect?

My only hope now is that these voters do not swing to the other extreme, but instead recognise that politics should focus on practical qualities - such as understanding the law, facilitating negotiations that satisfy all parties, and most importantly, preserving democracy. Sometimes, this means valuing less entertaining but more effective and responsible leaders.

Iran is undoubtedly an illegitimate authoritarian regime and there is always the possibility that the regime will fall - but only almost certainly to the military, and then what?

ronib

My understanding is that Trump had given Iran a 60 day window and on the 61st day, the attacks started. Trump’s unique bargaining hand?

That is falling for Trump’s claiming credit and trying to save face.

The 60 day was cited by Trump after the Israeli attack.

Trump did not know of Israel’s plan, he was hoping to conclude the deal next week. In fact he said so.

Israel, might have put Iran’s nuclear programme back but they have guaranteed that Iran will become a state with nuclear warfare capacity.

ronib I do like facts, thank you

My understanding is that Trump had given Iran a 60 day window and on the 61st day, the attacks started. Trump’s unique bargaining hand?

So those arguing that Israel is saving mankind from Iran, couldn’t be further from the truth.

Quite the opposite in fact.

It was generally thought that Trump “deal” with Iran was going to be successful which would have meant that Iran. No longer worked on their nuclear programme.

Netanyahu has made sure that isn’t going ahead.

I think frankly that Israel has acted in contravention of international law because the USA and Iran were in the middle of what ostensibly were peace negotiations, and Israel quite literally has put a bomb under that.

Nor clear (as ever) what Trump makes of it.

Netanyahu is already indicted for war crimes, so this will make no difference to him.

We seem to be entering an age of impunity.

We will live to seriously regret this.

Exactly Maremia Israel were able to pinpoint their targets as their intelligence services are one of the best.
Begs the question of how this superb intelligence service missed the attack by Hamas in 2023.
This is certainly a question that needs to be asked and answered. It happened on Netanyahu's watch and has now escalated into giving him the opportunity to activate his long held plan to attack Iran. Meanwhile, Israel continues to live in a state of emergency. Time will tell if Netanyahu's decision was the right one for mankind or a self serving disaster.

Whitewave 1945 general election here, following WW2
Churchill out Atlee in

AGAA4

Exactly Maremia Israel were able to pinpoint their targets as their intelligence services are one of the best.
Begs the question of how this superb intelligence service missed the attack by Hamas in 2023.

A question I’ve asked myself from time to time over the past 18 months.

I just pray this is not the start of World War 3, the whole thing is sickening and so very dangerous. There are so many different opinions with so many now supporting anti Israeli forces in the West it will be utter chaos. Most of us just want to live our lives in peace, we don’t need this.

Wyllow3

Indeed, Petra. the question is however, why now, not...two months ago, two months later? Its just all too convenient and takes peoples' minds of those starving

I would imagine that the operatives who have been in Iran for over a year saw/ heard something that alerted Israel that Iran were very close ( too close) to having a nuclear bomb.
Any regime that thinks it’s perfectly ok to beat Nika Shakarami to death for removing her head scarf are obviously wired wrong so therefore there’s no way on gods earth that they can have a nuclear bomb.

Oreo

Iran isn’t a nuclear State yet which is why now is a good time to attack nuclear sites before the uranium enrichment gets any further.Israel are doing us all a favour.Good for them.

Yes they are helping the west, stopping development of an actual nuclear weapon by unstable Iran

Oreo

Just anti Israel then?

If I was Israeli, I would never support Likud.

I have never supported a right wing political party, because they simply do not chime with my politics.

I have therefore always been critical of Likud and everything a nationalist far right political party it stands for. It’s actions since Oct 23 have been catastrophic both for Israel, the hostages, the Palestinians and world opinion.

I would always have strongly supported the Israeli Labour Party, with its record for working hard to make peace with the Palestinians.

I remember Rabin and Peres who were awarded the Nobel peace prize for their work resulting in the Oslo Accords and a two state solution.

Unfortunately the Labour Party has not done so well over recent years, but it is still a force in Israeli politics and recently took part in a vote to remove Likud, which showed that Netanyahu is on very rocky ground indeed.
“It’s more than ever urgent to replace Netanyahu’s government and specifically this toxic and harmful government,” Labour’s opposition lawmaker Merav Michaeli

However, it is pretty certain that Netanyahu would be voted out at the next election.

I will continue to strongly criticise a government that uses genocide and ethnic cleansing as a political tool as being the most despicable of governments you could ever witness. Other governments throughout the world have successfully dealt with terrorists, whose specific aim was elimination of its existence without the dreadful decision to resort to such death and destruction.

Likud is imo a total failure as a government and should be gone.

War cabinet ! , the government who are elected by the country ,
fact, the people were forced to ignore screams for help 7th October 2023 by the government? By one man Netanyahu for him to avoid prosecution in some court of law, this is not true
but no matter for the majority posting

Anniebach

Big difference, even though the majority here think Netanyahu
runs the.county armed forces, parliament etc single handed

I dont think we do, its a shorthand of "Netanyahu and his war cabinet or "the current war cabinet led by Netanyahu.

Its true he's not a "world leader" but causing "major problems" as said above.

Anniebach

Big difference, even though the majority here think Netanyahu
runs the.county armed forces, parliament etc single handed

The population of Israel is just about a million more than the population of London.

It's surprising that the leader of such a small country can cause so much trouble, in fact.

Big difference, even though the majority here think Netanyahu
runs the.county armed forces, parliament etc single handed

LizzieDrip

Allsorts

Netanyahu, a minor player? Words fail.

Precisely Allsorts.

I don’t think the people in Gaza would regard Netanyahu as ‘a minor player’🙈

So you think Netanyahu is a major world leader?

No, he's causing major problems.
There is a difference.

Indeed, Petra. the question is however, why now, not...two months ago, two months later? Its just all too convenient and takes peoples' minds of those starving

valdavi just to say I'd clarify this by saying "the current Israeli regime"

as opposed to other Israeli citizens, many of whom do not support Netanyahu to varying degrees, especially those trying to help get aid into Gaza, return the hostages dead or alive, in the face of Hamas.

Claremont

No, not anti Israel. Anti THIS Israel and Netanyahu, anit this terrible one sided war, this genocide- just like so many Israelis and Jews, in Israel and all over the world.

And anti putting Israel, Jews, and all of us- the entire world, by attacking a very dangerous nuclear state like Iran.

Just to put the record straight: Iran is a wannabe nuclear state. Israel is just making sure it never is.

Claremont

No, not anti Israel. Anti THIS Israel and Netanyahu, anit this terrible one sided war, this genocide- just like so many Israelis and Jews, in Israel and all over the world.

And anti putting Israel, Jews, and all of us- the entire world, by attacking a very dangerous nuclear state like Iran.

Thirded. Spot on.

Claremont

No, not anti Israel. Anti THIS Israel and Netanyahu, anit this terrible one sided war, this genocide- just like so many Israelis and Jews, in Israel and all over the world.

And anti putting Israel, Jews, and all of us- the entire world, by attacking a very dangerous nuclear state like Iran.

I would've agreed with that yesterday - Anti Netanyahu and his government.

After their paranoid stupidity overnight on top of the suffering heaped on the powerless Gazans- I'm afraid I am now plain anti-Israel.

No state no matter how unique their circumstances should see themselves as above international law.