Israel attack on Iran

ronib

Israel seems to have a workable plan - if Iran doesn’t stop its nuclear program then Israel will continue to take out top military and nuclear scientists. Israeli technology and ability to get drones in to take out nuclear capability is very impressive. Why does Iran not understand this?

Because the leaders are religious fanatics that have the whole of Iran under their control and indoctrinated. They don’t care how many are killed as long as they hold onto power, we have seen Israel doesn’t care about civilian casualties.

This could make Gaza look like a picnic in the park.

Allsorts

Netanyahu, a minor player? Words fail.

Precisely Allsorts.

I don’t think the people in Gaza would regard Netanyahu as ‘a minor player’🙈

Although he is denying any involvement Trump has been telling Iran they can't have nuclear weapons.
I think Netanyahu has had the go ahead from the US.

Israel seems to have a workable plan - if Iran doesn’t stop its nuclear program then Israel will continue to take out top military and nuclear scientists. Israeli technology and ability to get drones in to take out nuclear capability is very impressive. Why does Iran not understand this?

I hope Iran will back down but fear that it won't. If it doesn't then hopefully a more powerful country won't come to it's aid.
That is the danger.

Allsorts

Netanyahu, a minor player? Words fail.

Do you really think he's a major player on the world stage?

He's causing a major amount of trouble, certainly, but he is not a major leader.

Allsorts

Netanyahu, a minor player? Words fail.

He is compared to world leaders like Trump. Putin, Xi Jinping.
And the combined EU and UK.

Netanyahu, a minor player? Words fail.

“Until now, that is. Iran must know about Israel's nuclear capacity so why would it attack when there would be retaliation in kind?”

Previously they have been funding terrorist groups to attack by proxy, wanting to avoid direct confrontation, knowing that Israel could do a great deal of damage in a direct war.
Now Israel has got the terrorists under control and Iran is nearing a nuclear bomb Israel will now eliminate the threat and if its revived will attack again.
If a non aggressive government in Iran were to take power and agree not to threaten Israel the whole region could be peaceful, and Iranians much more prosperous.

Wyllow3

Iran getting nuclear weapons is a threat to many countries, it has been a concern for a long time.

What Trump does/doesnt do is key, but international concern is very long term.

Netanyahu is poking the bear, very unwise. Iran is not as isolated as we seem to be implying, not at all. Russia, some middle east countries, Syria of course, and for goodness sake, China!

Yes.

Iran is a country which many of us have feared for a long time.

There are too many madmen in charge of the world at the moment, Netanyahu being quite a minor player in fact, but an irritant in the side of other, more dangerous leaders, and it is terrifying.

Trump has been urging Iran to make a deal for no nuclear weapons. Iran is blaming Trump for condoning the attack on Iran.
Trump has told Iran they must sign as Israel will be brutal.

armscontrolcenter.org/countries/israel/
Israel is not a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and has not accepted IAEA safeguards on some of its principle nuclear activities. Their policy of nuclear opacity has been generally tolerated by both allies and adversaries.
Most estimates posit that Israel possesses about 90 plutonium-based nuclear warheads and has produced enough plutonium for 100-200 weapons. These estimates have been fairly consistent for decades, which points to a nuclear posture defined by Israel’s deterrence needs. Israel appears focused strictly on survival and does not seek to threaten other nuclear-armed states.
Until now, that is. Iran must know about Israel's nuclear capacity so why would it attack when there would be retaliation in kind?

Whitewavemark2

I’ve recommended this before, but I’ll do so again.

It is a non-fiction book about a real house with a real lemon tree in the garden. It is situated in a town called Al-Rama, which was was occupied by Arabs for hundreds of years until they were driven out by Jewish settlers in about 1947. A family of Bulgarian Jews has occupied the house ever since.

It is the story of an unlikely friendship between Muslim and Jew.

The Lemon Tree - Sandy Tolan.

Thank you for this, will look out for it.

Yes, LizzieDrip this totally.

Don't you think Iran is not afraid of a direct nuclear attack from Israel ronib? And Israel has attacked first this time, not nuclear, but such provocation that makes rataliation, and then a widening of the conflict, so possible and probably inevitable. All will suffer, Israel first, and Palestinians too. The rest of the middle East and then the whole world- in a war where there will be no winners. And certainly not our grandchildren.

Surely the real reason is that Israel fears a direct nuclear attack by Iran? The Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty is signed by India, Pakistan,Israel and North Korea.

However, it is universally acknowledged that Israel has a nuclear weapons capability which it developed outside the framework of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

So, if I understand this correctly, Israel’s ‘justification’ for bombing Iran is their belief that Iran has developed nuclear weapons ‘outside the framework of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty’.

Yet Israel has done the very same thing! Hypocrisy at its finest!

I’ve recommended this before, but I’ll do so again.

It is a non-fiction book about a real house with a real lemon tree in the garden. It is situated in a town called Al-Rama, which was was occupied by Arabs for hundreds of years until they were driven out by Jewish settlers in about 1947. A family of Bulgarian Jews has occupied the house ever since.

It is the story of an unlikely friendship between Muslim and Jew.

The Lemon Tree - Sandy Tolan.

Jewish friends born and bred in Israel, who worked on kibbutz, who served in the IDF- and have now moved to Europe- are terrified for their children and grandchildren left in Israel, their friends and family (yes, those imaginary Jewish friends of mine, who apparently are a figment of my imagination). They have known about Netanyahu and Ben Gvir, and others- for a very long time. Since the 80s even, that was their plan. Destroy Palestine and all Palestinians. (plenty of evidence available).

CariadAgain

Maremia

Interesting point Oreo. I don't know the actual history behind the decision of where to place the 'homeland', and it may not be of relevance on this serious thread, but who made the decision and why chose a location surrounded at that time by enemies? Or did the animosity evolve later?
To save derailment of this thread, some kind GN offer me some sources to research.

What I see quoted as the reason for the Israelis "being given" Palestine stems back to it being stated that it's "the Holy Land given to them by God" in the Bible. That's the justification quoted - and never mind it's someone else's country in the first place and not empty land available to give to others.

Check out the Naqba on YouTube. There are some good videos explaining this - ie the Naqba being where the Israelis went for the Palestinians wholesale and started kicking them out of their own country back in the late 1940s and have been steadily grabbing more and more of Palestine ever since - from the point of view of land on the one hand and individual people using violence to kick people out of their homes in order to steal them down at a personal level ever since.

From the Arab point of the view is known as

The catastrophe.

MAREMIA

I've just had a quick check of videos I've stashed on this topic.

On YouTube there is one you might be interested in:
"Al-Nakba: the Palestinian catastrophe - Episode 1" and the channel it's on is = Al Jazeera English.

Oreo

ronib

If Israel is in the direct firing line for an Iranian nuclear attack, why on earth would Israel hand over responsibility for its own safety to international discussion and action/inaction? Would you?

Exactly.

This is the biggest terrifying nonsense I've heard in a very long time.

Nothing, but nothing, puts Israel in more danger than this attack.. NOTHING.

The whole world even.

And the UK also in direct firing line if it agrees to have USA nuclear weapons on our soil.

Maremia

Interesting point Oreo. I don't know the actual history behind the decision of where to place the 'homeland', and it may not be of relevance on this serious thread, but who made the decision and why chose a location surrounded at that time by enemies? Or did the animosity evolve later?
To save derailment of this thread, some kind GN offer me some sources to research.

What I see quoted as the reason for the Israelis "being given" Palestine stems back to it being stated that it's "the Holy Land given to them by God" in the Bible. That's the justification quoted - and never mind it's someone else's country in the first place and not empty land available to give to others.

Check out the Naqba on YouTube. There are some good videos explaining this - ie the Naqba being where the Israelis went for the Palestinians wholesale and started kicking them out of their own country back in the late 1940s and have been steadily grabbing more and more of Palestine ever since - from the point of view of land on the one hand and individual people using violence to kick people out of their homes in order to steal them down at a personal level ever since.

Ziplok

It’s a terrifying situation. The world is full of power crazed madness at the moment.

Ain't it just? !!!

ronib

So why now is Russia, Iran and China stacking up to attack Israel?

They aren’t.

Although I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons I can understand why they might want them if they know Israel has them.
They could claim it's a defensive move.

Maremia

How did they manage to hide so many?

Because no one is looking for them. Particularly the west