Israel attack on Iran

I disagree with all nuclear weapons. In the 70s and 80s, I was very active in trying to explain that nuclear proliferation would be a disaster, and the MAD was just a short term fix that would break down when one or two (or more) power hungry mad men got involved. And until smaller so called 'tactical' nuclear weapons were created, as for now- which give the massively dangerous illusion that a limited, targetted, nuclear attack is survivable.

Attacking Iran is a diabolical act of aggression from Israel that puts the whole world at risk, and Israel and its inhabitants, as well as Palestine and the whole Middle-East, at massive risk. The whole world indeed. There is NO EXCUSE for this attack- the consequences of which could be diabolically dire.

Israel attacked first, with the first bombs. The rest ?????

I don't think many agree with Iran having nuclear weapons but Israel could cause another war that would drag in other reluctant countries and cause mass devastation.

Don't be ridiculous ronib, don't think anyone on here just now wants a nuclear war.

Claremount not with a nuclear bomb…
But then you approve of Iran having nuclear weapons? You agree?

Annie asked 'Which country will be first for the bomb ?'

well, this is clear- Israel has just bombed Iran.

Anniebach

Antisemitism is moral and just !

Oh stop it, Annie, please, just stop this. It has NOTHING but absolutely NOTHING to do with antisemitism.

Netanyahu, more than anyone at the moment, not even Russia or Trump - is threatening to start WW3.

China and Russia are firm allies of Iran …. Too late to change that?

It's a very volatile situation and if the US becomes involved for Israel would there be another powerful country aiding Iran.

ronib

Where does the very wealthy Saudi Arabia sit in all this?
Israel is right to poke the bear - it might save countless lives. Iran can’t be trusted to develop nuclear weapons. It’s a bit weird that more countries are not singing from the same page.

Saudi would love to see Shia Iran change to a peaceful neighbour, the Houthis in Yemen have been fighting them for many years funded by Iran but will stay neutral in any hostility

Quote Cossy Fri 13-Jun-25 10:46:23
Anniebach
Antisemitism is moral and just !
Of course it isn’t Annie, as you well know.

But surely you cannot support Netunyahu in this action?

I don’t wish to see a further fatalities, of any faith or nationality killed!

I don’t support wars, terrorism or Hamas, Iran or Iraq.

I support peace!

Which country will be first for the bomb ?

Anniebach

Antisemitism is moral and just !

Of course it isn’t Annie, as you well know.

But surely you cannot support Netunyahu in this action?

I don’t wish to see a further fatalities, of any faith or nationality killed!

I don’t support wars, terrorism or Hamas, Iran or Iraq.

I support peace!

Where does the very wealthy Saudi Arabia sit in all this?
Israel is right to poke the bear - it might save countless lives. Iran can’t be trusted to develop nuclear weapons. It’s a bit weird that more countries are not singing from the same page.

What Israel and the US really want is regime change in Iran and an end to the nuclear programme, fundamentalist Iran has been funding terrorists groups for many years in many countries, attacking western governments especially Israel, a change in regime would stop all that.

How far would Israel go to achieve that, possibly attack the nuclear power station causing a Chernobyl style radioactive zone killing tens of thousands. Maybe even a direct nuclear attack, there is a precedent, that’s exactly what the US did in Japan

Iran getting nuclear weapons is a threat to many countries, it has been a concern for a long time.

What Trump does/doesnt do is key, but international concern is very long term.

Netanyahu is poking the bear, very unwise. Iran is not as isolated as we seem to be implying, not at all. Russia, some middle east countries, Syria of course, and for goodness sake, China!

ronib Fri 13-Jun-25 10:13:41
If Israel is in the direct firing line for an Iranian nuclear attack, why on earth would Israel hand over responsibility for its own safety to international discussion and action/inaction? Would you?

Who would support Israel ?

This thread feels quite surreal….. Israel had given 60 days of discussion with the USA before striking on the 61st. With friends like the Uk and the USA, Israel is more than perfectly justified in protecting itself against Iran and this move will be welcomed by Sunni countries too.

I think Trump will be furious that the US may be dragged into another war.
He hates war as it costs money and kills people. His words

However maybe Netanyahu is doing it to keep attention away from what is happening Gaza.

this - in picture is still the outstanding concern.

ronib

If Israel is in the direct firing line for an Iranian nuclear attack, why on earth would Israel hand over responsibility for its own safety to international discussion and action/inaction? Would you?

Yes, were it the UK, I'd want backing from other interested parties! Too high risk for the citizens of Israel, who surely have enough on their "worries" list?

ronib

Israel is allowed to stop Iran developing nuclear bombs aimed at Israel. End of story.

"End of story" is a rude way of shutting down a discussion. It's not the end of a story it's the beginning of a war.

If Israel is in the direct firing line for an Iranian nuclear attack, why on earth would Israel hand over responsibility for its own safety to international discussion and action/inaction? Would you?

ronib

Israel is allowed to stop Iran developing nuclear bombs aimed at Israel. End of story.

It doesn't need to be Israel that does this tho? surely its a decision for international discussion and action? Better for world stability, it needs to be thought through not precipitate.

Iran has been recognised as a substantial force and can do a lot of damage to Israel. Trump has said he will only intervene if US bases are targeted by Iran.
I am sorry for the Israeli people who will be damaged by this war caused by their own government.

(I was replying to *Annie just above)

Absolutely, but Netanyahu is taking the world into a vv dangerous situation more war. Indeed - I wonder what Trump thinks!

I dont think it was in anyway necessary just now. It almost feels that N is taking a dangerous leaf out of the Trump handbook - create chaos and war!