Israel attack on Iran

GrannyGravy13

As much as I dislike the current Iranian regime, I wouldn’t like to see U.K. boots on the ground or planes in the air.

I can still remember the day our eldest AC was on their way to Kuwait (1994) instead of being at home for their youngest two siblings christenings. What should have been a joyous occasion was tinged with fear and trepidation. I do not want other parents to go through those feelings due to Israel’s decision.

(Before anyone wades in with its their choice to join the armed forces I am well aware of that, but it doesn’t diminish the feelings of family members, rational or not!)

Yes, it is a whole different ball game if the U.K. was under attack, or we were going to the aid of an a. Who had been attacked. But neither is true.

Going to war under a very questionable legal position happened in Iraq and we know how that has ended. We can’t make the same mistake again.

Saying all that - if it was a member of my family I would be so very fearful, regardless of the circumstances. Of course I would.

nanna8

I can’t stand Starmer as a PM, as many will know but I wouldn’t resort to name calling because I actually think on a personal level he is a nice person. Believe it or not. Just so those accusing me of name calling know.

Yet you called him ‘stupid’!

As much as I dislike the current Iranian regime, I wouldn’t like to see U.K. boots on the ground or planes in the air.

I can still remember the day our eldest AC was on their way to Kuwait (1994) instead of being at home for their youngest two siblings christenings. What should have been a joyous occasion was tinged with fear and trepidation. I do not want other parents to go through those feelings due to Israel’s decision.

(Before anyone wades in with its their choice to join the armed forces I am well aware of that, but it doesn’t diminish the feelings of family members, rational or not!)

Quote AGAA4 Fri 20-Jun-25 09:04:02
I certainly hope so Whitewave as Israel started this war they should be left to fight it without aid from other countries.
I wouldn't want our military losing their lives for the sake of Israel. They don't deserve help in attacking another country.

‘losing their lives for the sake of Israel ‘ !

I certainly hope so Whitewave as Israel started this war they should be left to fight it without aid from other countries.
I wouldn't want our military losing their lives for the sake of Israel. They don't deserve help in attacking another country.

I hope the answer would be no. Meanwhile, Trump seems to be still going along the talks route and trying for a deal. He will get a mighty push back from his MAGA supporters if he takes America into a foreign war.

AGAA4

If Trump asks permission from Starmer to use the US/UK base to fly that bomb to Iran what do you think Starmer will do?

Honestly. If it was based on the rule of law? Then he has to say no I think. Israel’s pre-emptive strike is highly questionable and, taken to court would almost certainly be shown to be illegal under the rules of warfare, according to lawyers dealing in these matters.

But it won’t be.

Starmer is aware of this, but at the same time the UKs interest is paramount, and whether keeping Trump sweet is more important, and whether by doing so we can guarantee his assistance should we need it - who knows.

The other issue is whether it would pass in the HoC.

I think the answer may be no.

Your PM will need to make a decision then, nanna8. What do you think he will do?

And I am entitled to express my opinion about those posts.

The thing is, if the UK goes to war we over here will be dragged in ,too. We can’t stand on our own two feet in that respect. I admire the Kiwis because they seem to have a bit more independence than we do.

growstuff😹

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.

The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…

Yes, she does, but her comment was hardly constructive.

Totally off piste. if posts on the N & P boards were limited to those which were constructive there would be considerable shorter threads.

Maybe not such a bad thing!

If Trump asks permission from Starmer to use the US/UK base to fly that bomb to Iran what do you think Starmer will do?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 I hope Geraint Hughes is correct on this, also I am keeping everything crossed that the PM will not blindly follow the US like Tony Blair.

No I really don’t think that Starmer is another Blair. Largely because of his legal background, and quite honestly because he is decent.

I know it doesn’t appear fashionable to follow the rule of law in warfare atm, but I have faith that the U.K. will stand firm.

That is not to say that Starmer isn’t faced with a massive headache though.

We know that Trump has said that Europe is no longer a US priority when it comes to defence, and that NATO is certainly not labour of the month with him. And yet although it might stick in the crawl, we are dependent entirely on the USA if we are facing Putin’s might.

It is balancing these things.

Being PM isn’t easy!

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.

The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…

Yes, she does, but her comment was hardly constructive.

Totally off piste. if posts on the N & P boards were limited to those which were constructive there would be considerable shorter threads.

Galaxy

So what if he isn't Nanas prime minister, I hold particular views on the leaders of many countries, some of whom I loathe. There are many people on here expressing a view on Trump.

And I am entitled to express my of a post.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.

The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…

Yes, she does, but her comment was hardly constructive.

It's worrying that the only place this mountain busting bomb can be launched from is Diego Garcia which is a military base run by US and UK.

If Trump wants to do this it will bring the UK into this conflict.
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Whitewavemark2 I hope Geraint Hughes is correct on this, also I am keeping everything crossed that the PM will not blindly follow the US like Tony Blair.

So what if he isn't Nanas prime minister, I hold particular views on the leaders of many countries, some of whom I loathe. There are many people on here expressing a view on Trump.

AGAA4

I am glad that Starmer is trying to use diplomacy and will be talking to Iran along with other European leaders. De-escalating the situation is the way forward. We don't want the UK pulled into this war by the US.

I hope so, I wouldn’t like to see the U.K. fighting in the Middle East again.

An extract from an article written by Geraint Hughes of Kings College talking about the legal ramifications of the U.K. entering the fray.

“The key question for Starmer and his ministers will not be whether Britain could back a US war against Iran but whether it should. After the debacle of the Iraq war and the ensuing Chilcot inquiry, it is difficult to see how any government – let alone a Labour one – can take Britain into a major interstate conflict on this scale without firm parliamentary support and a solid case in international law.

To this end, the Attorney General Richard Hermer has reportedly questioned the legality of Israel’s preemptive attack on Iran, and has argued that any British military intervention should be limited to the defence of its allies.

We should not forget that Starmer was a human rights lawyer and the head of the Crown Prosecution Service before he became a politician.

Another legacy of Iraq is that it is customary (though not a legal requirement) for prime ministers to seek parliamentary approval for any major military operation. David Cameron lost a vote in the House of Commons to approve airstrikes against Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria in August 2013. But he gained parliamentary support for Britain’s commitment to the fight against Islamic State in 2015.

A similar debate now is unlikely to lead to approval of British military intervention in this case. Within the Labour party, there is already widespread condemnation of Israeli tactics and Palestinian civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is little popular appetite for sending British sailors and airmen into a war with Iran. And, given the US vice-president’s own dismissive comments about the military experiences of European allies, the public is also entitled to ask why British servicemen should die or risk breaching international law for an administration that probably will not appreciate their sacrifice”

GrannyGravy13

growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.

The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…

I am not saying that she doesn’t have the right - merely suggesting that it doesn’t advance the discussion relating to the OP

I am glad that Starmer is trying to use diplomacy and will be talking to Iran along with other European leaders. De-escalating the situation is the way forward. We don't want the UK pulled into this war by the US.

growstuff and Whitewvemark2 I think nanna8 has as much right to like or dislike the UK’s PM as anyone.

The N & P threads are littered with U.K. gransnetters criticising POTUS Trump, POTUS Biden, various European and Middle Eastern leaders…