Israel attack on Iran

silverlining48

I will be on the march in London on Saturday and will report back after. Am assuming it will be peaceful and know it won’t get a mention on the news.
I am not a spring chicken and it’s going to be very hot but I want to show support and hope I make it through to Downing Street.

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I will be on the march in London on Saturday and will report back after. Am assuming it will be peaceful and know it won’t get a mention on the news.
I am not a spring chicken and it’s going to be very hot but I want to show support and hope I make it through to Downing Street.

Israel is a dangerous ally to have, and one which has proved itself willing to attack neighbours, Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, Iran. This could possibly lead to a war which if we support the USA ( please No!) we and the world may get involved in.
All for a country which has wanted more and more land which belongs to others.
Shame on the west indeed.

You can find news on Gaza from various outlets but it isn't headline news for now. It shouldn't drop out of focus for so many reasons one of them being that it's too convenient for Netanyahu.
He's playing the hero saving the world from evil Iran but we should never forget what has been done and is still being done in Gaza.

Oreo

Israel is a valued ally to the West which is why you won’t get them saying anything much about Gaza or Iran, why would they, particularly in the case of Iran.
The West wants to make sure that Israel comes out on top and Muslim extremists are got rid of.Even neighbouring countries, no matter what they may publicly say are delighted to see the downfall of hamas and hezbollah.

So that justifies anything and everything, and 50.000 + bombed and burnt to bits- babies, children, whole families, who are not Muslim extremists. You do realise many Muslims ARE NOT extremists, don't you.

Shame, shame on the West, and those who support this genocide.

Maremia

For any GN still wishing to follow what's happening to the people of Gaza, when you click on your BBC online, look for the heading 'Israel Gaza war/ latest news and updates'.
Click on that. You can then decide if you wish to click, or not, the choice 'follow'.
But as AGAA4 has said, it is not the main focus just now.

I want it to be "in focus" - yes its all on the I player news and I read that as a matter of course to find out, but most don't read that if they are TV or radio focussed.

I know some will knock the BBC I player news those very pro the current regime in Israel.....

but I think it's superb and they are very careful indeed to give accurate sources in their verify sections.

Whitewavemark2

Mira aged 6 - killed yesterday

Netanyahu today: 'There are people who were killed, each of us carries a personal price. *My son Avner cancelled a wedding.
Unbelievable*

Israel is a valued ally to the West which is why you won’t get them saying anything much about Gaza or Iran, why would they, particularly in the case of Iran.
The West wants to make sure that Israel comes out on top and Muslim extremists are got rid of.Even neighbouring countries, no matter what they may publicly say are delighted to see the downfall of hamas and hezbollah.

Mira aged 6 - killed yesterday

Here we are - I am sorry my IPad doesn’t do links so I’ve copied and pasted it.

Perhaps this should be done daily so that we never forget those poor souls

Gaza’s cries have been drowned out by Israel’s strikes on Iran, and the diplomatic pressure on Benjamin Netanyahu over the suffering has ebbed. Yet as the industrialised world urges de-escalation in the Middle East, the devastation continues. On Tuesday morning, witnesses described Israeli forces firing towards a crowd waiting for trucks loaded with flour, leaving more than 50 dead. These are not stray bullets in wartime chaos, they are the outcome of a system that makes relief deadly.

As Médecins Sans Frontières declared this week, what is unfolding in Gaza is “the calculated evisceration of the very systems that sustain life”. That includes homes, markets, water networks and hospitals – with healthcare continually under attack. Last week, a UN commission found that more than 90% of the Gaza Strip’s schools and universities have been damaged or destroyed by Israeli forces using airstrikes, burning, shelling and controlled demolitions. What’s happening is not the collateral damage of military necessity, it is a programme of civic annihilation.

In such circumstances, words without action are worse than meaningless. Western powers cannot decry war crimes and genocide while supplying the arms that cause them elsewhere. If they believe in international law, countries such as the UK should act to uphold it. The law is not law if no one enforces it. Israel is the occupying power in Gaza and has a clear duty under the fourth Geneva convention to ensure the population’s access to food, water and medical care.

Instead, it has imposed a blockade and driven out UN humanitarian operations. In their place, it has backed the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), a private aid scheme coordinated with its military and guarded by US mercenaries. Citing unproven claims of Hamas infiltration, Israel scrapped 400 UN-backed aid sites for just four GHF-run, militarised hubs. In a few weeks, around 300 Palestinians have reportedly died trying to access these food sites. UN officials are right to say the GHF scheme is “engineered scarcity” that has made aid distribution “a death trap”. The US-based Center for Constitutional Rights has also warned that the GHF may be prosecuted for aiding “war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide”. Yet Donald Trump’s state department is mulling a $500m grant.

In the UK, ministers say allegations of genocide are for courts to decide upon, while government lawyers in court assert that there is no genocide. This is not just moral evasiveness but tactical contradiction, designed to sustain arms sales and diplomatic cover. This hypocrisy has consequences. By shielding Israel from accountability in Gaza, and now endorsing its illegal strike on Iran, western governments are not merely complicit – they are dismantling the legal order they claim to defend. They are falling in line with Mr Trump’s attempts to undermine institutions designed to hold powerful actors accountable, replacing legal norms with political cover.

As the former USAID official Jeremy Konyndyk has said, if GHF were a genuine humanitarian project it would have halted a model that produces daily massacres. According to the Carnegie Endowment’s Katherine Wilkens, GHF imposes severe limits on food, subjects civilians to invasive biometric vetting and hands out aid at gunpoint under Israeli control – in clear breach of international law. What is collapsing in Gaza is not just infrastructure. It is the principle that even war has rules. When those rules are waived for allies, no one is safe.

Guardian 19/6

Will look and see if other media outlets have the same function.

Our PM is not stupid. If he does commit the UK to supporting the US and Israel, there will be a reason. Personally, I doubt if he will offer more than token support. To answer your question - I would support neither "side". I would support adult negotiation and peace

Hear, hear growstuff.

Nanna8 I know you can’t stand Sir Keir Starmer - that’s up to you. However, I think the current situation with Iran is far too serious for politicisation and name calling.

For any GN still wishing to follow what's happening to the people of Gaza, when you click on your BBC online, look for the heading 'Israel Gaza war/ latest news and updates'.
Click on that. You can then decide if you wish to click, or not, the choice 'follow'.
But as AGAA4 has said, it is not the main focus just now.

Unfortunately this dangerous situation is the focus now. Starmer has asked Trump not to attack Iran for fear of escalation.
I haven't forgotten Gaza but the news is more sketchy on their plight now.

I have just sent this to the BBC News desk. The email address is easy to find by googling for a direct email. I'm asking people here to consider this or similar to news outlets?

"“Dear BBC News desk

Re...reporting on Gaza

Gaza is suffering terribly as we all know. There was proper and regular news coverage of the situation and tactful but balanced reporting of the current Israeli regimes' managing the complex hostage and aid situations

But since Israel started attacking Iran, honestly, I have not heard of the Gaza and hostage situation on news broadcasts

May I beg you, on behalf of all of us who care about the starving in Gaza, the situations I outline above, to resume reporting of what is happening in Gaza

It's not my place (nor the BBC's) to speculate whether the invasion of Iran was timed to stop reporting of Gaza

But please, please resume your balanced reporting on Gaza? Please let me know if you can and will do this

I feel the need to get the Gaza and hostage situation back in the news - anyone agree?

I think it is all happening now. Trump seems to be about to anttack Iran. I fear for the world because there are some very powerful countries who will support them ( Iran )

nanna8, if you can get The Guardian online there is an article which may help to answer your question. It is about the legality of supporting Israel.

Ronib, it is my understanding that Iran has supported Hamas, and also Hezbollah and the Houthis.
I believe that not a single GN on this thread, despite the constant accusation of one in particular of the posters, supports Hamas. Why would we?
I see from posts upthread that surprisingly, so also did Netanyahu.
I read online this morning, in an article with a map, that the Chinese have just sent quite a lot of planes to Iran, and so would suggest that they also support that State.
Iran has been sending drones to Russia, for use in their war against Ukraine.
Russia is a nuclear State, can't remember if China is also.
So, it's Israel and their allies, potentially, against Iran and their allies.
Not great for the rest of us.
Hope this helps.
Other GNs will add what they know so far.

Thanks growstuff if it wasn’t so hot and humid, I’d try very hard to follow the details…. It’s a good start though and thank you.

nanna8

If your PM decides to go to war against Iran in support of America and Israel, which he is stupid enough to do, who would you support ? Just curious.

Our PM is not stupid. If he does commit the UK to supporting the US and Israel, there will be a reason. Personally, I doubt if he will offer more than token support.

To answer your question - I would support neither "side". I would support adult negotiation and peace.

Claremont

ronib

I am becoming quite irritated to read that apparently no one supports Hamas. The Islamic Republic of Iran has supported Hamas military and financially since the early 1990s. For what reason I don’t know!

No-one here on GN supports Hamas, I thought my post was clear.

Some people here deny the death of babies and children, whole families, in Gaza. This is intolerable.

But it is my post that gets deleted.

I didn't see your deleted post, but I doubt if it was supporting Hamas.

ronib

I am becoming quite irritated to read that apparently no one supports Hamas. The Islamic Republic of Iran has supported Hamas military and financially since the early 1990s. For what reason I don’t know!

This article explains why:

ecfr.eu/article/iran-hamas-and-islamic-jihad-a-marriage-of-convenience/

ronib

I am becoming quite irritated to read that apparently no one supports Hamas. The Islamic Republic of Iran has supported Hamas military and financially since the early 1990s. For what reason I don’t know!

No-one here on GN supports Hamas, I thought my post was clear.

Some people here deny the death of babies and children, whole families, in Gaza. This is intolerable.

But it is my post that gets deleted.

Quote AGAA4 Thu 19-Jun-25 11:20:35
If Trump gets involved it really is all over for Iran. Another country decimated by Israel.
I wonder which of his hostile neighbours he will go for next.

Israel should have waited for Iran to carry out their threat
‘we will kill all Jews’

What on earth is the matter with us.

Just listen to our posts.

I was, and pondering that there's no wonder there is conflict in the world.
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