Israel attack on Iran

David49

growstuff

David49

growstuff

I don't believe for one moment that Netanyahu "trusted" Hamas - he thought he could outwit them.

Gaza doesn’t feel so good trusting them

If Netanyahu trusted Hamas, he was an idiot - and I don't believe for one moment that Netanyahu is an idiot. He's probably one of the most wily political operators around. Netanyahu used Hamas to divide Palestinians. Both are against Fatah, who are in favour of a two-state solution. Netanyahu thought that by keeping Hamas on his side, he could isolate Fatah.

With hindsight he was an idiot but it seemed a solution at the time 15 yrs later their true intent was revealed, so now can any Palestinian ever be trusted.

No, he wasn't an idiot. He didn't trust Hamas. He knew all the time what Hamas was like and what some of their leadership wanted. He thought he could use them for his own purposes and could keep them under control. I don't know why you keep going on about trust because I don't believe for one moment that he ever trusted them. Netanyahu himself plays that game and claims Hamas can't be trusted because he made a strategic error in his control strategy, but he's not going to admit that.

Especially these ones who like to laze around smoking cannabis’s, Growstuff! .

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Even worse is targeting Aid stations!

Seriously, has Netanyahu totally lost his mind?

He’s put his own people and many many innocent people internationally by his attacks on both Gaza and Iran.

No, yet again, I don’t support terrorism or kidnap and I’m not antisemitic.

I am scared!

growstuff

David49

growstuff

I don't believe for one moment that Netanyahu "trusted" Hamas - he thought he could outwit them.

Gaza doesn’t feel so good trusting them

If Netanyahu trusted Hamas, he was an idiot - and I don't believe for one moment that Netanyahu is an idiot. He's probably one of the most wily political operators around. Netanyahu used Hamas to divide Palestinians. Both are against Fatah, who are in favour of a two-state solution. Netanyahu thought that by keeping Hamas on his side, he could isolate Fatah.

With hindsight he was an idiot but it seemed a solution at the time 15 yrs later their true intent was revealed, so now can any Palestinian ever be trusted.

How much more sensible it would be if the situation was resolved through an agreement over non-proliferation.

Bombing will only achieve - if it achieves anything - the possible destruction of the current infrastructure. There will be nothing agreed about future development of nuclear power.

Just get around the b…y table Trump and stop grandstanding.

These Hamas tunnels, how long are they? A couple of feet/metres? Miles long? Does anyone know?
Are they longer than the length of a hospital?
Mr Netanyahu, with all of the sophisticated surveillance technology at the IDF's disposal, your forces could only locate those Hamas tunnels underneath the short length of a hospital? Not as they extended for miles beyond?
Or were you deliberately targetting hospitals?
Which scenario do you think the Court believes?

Quote Maremia Thu 19-Jun-25 08:23:40
Why do Tyrants feel that it is okay to bomb hospitals? Yes looking at you Putin, Netanyahu and Khamenei

Eyes and ears closed on Hamas

GrannyGravy13

growstuff I can tell you straight from the (officer’s) horses mouth they dread that more than the current situation.

Let's hope we don't need to face that.

Petra, looks like the 'Trump mole' pile on has been busted as well.

Why do Tyrants feel that it is okay to bomb hospitals? Yes looking at you Putin, Netanyahu and Khamenei

Hamas hides in hospitals , build tunnels under hospitals

Iran have hit a hospital in Israel. This is really dreadful but the hypocrisy of Netanyahu in calling those who target hospitals as criminal terrorists is shocking when Israel has destroyed most hospitals in Gaza.

Claremont

From the information I have been given,, this is a new arrival of 12 more tonight.

It looks as if your information I have been given bubble has been busted. 😂

Altered - "info that comes as unbiased".

Speaking of finding out the news we don't get told or we do (but it's biased) - Al Jazeera is actually pretty good...but what I would really like is to find out where there is, say, Scandinavian news channels up on YouTube or the like - in English obviously (as the only other language I speak is American LOL).

A good impartial world channel run from Denmark for instance would be ideal for trying to get info. that comes over as biased (or not at all). I want the British viewpoint - but I'd like to see an objective outsider viewpoint from one of the "modern" Western countries as I call them.

Whitewavemark2

Actually I thought that information was on a news channel? The planes were being tracked as they flew towards Europe snd the Mediterranean from the USA?

There are certainly channels up there on YouTube monitoring flights - the ones I've seen are American - but I guess there are British ones too. I could be well-informed re what the Americans are up to as regards what they have up in the air (presidential plane included) if I chose to follow it.

One can find out quite a bit if you choose to by hunting around....

Whitewavemark2

Actually I thought that information was on a news channel? The planes were being tracked as they flew towards Europe snd the Mediterranean from the USA?

I can't remember where I saw it, but you are correct, the planes were being tracked as they flew from the USA to Europe.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

From the information I have been given,, this is a new arrival of 12 more tonight.

I can only assume you are a Trump mole

As anyone with any integrity wouldn’t divulge this information *if it is true*

It doesn't appear to be top secret:

theaviationist.com/2025/06/18/us-military-build-up-continues-middle-east/

Actually I thought that information was on a news channel? The planes were being tracked as they flew towards Europe snd the Mediterranean from the USA?

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

From the information I have been given,, this is a new arrival of 12 more tonight.

I can only assume you are a Trump mole

As anyone with any integrity wouldn’t divulge this information *if it is true*

Quite.

However, anyone who divulged State secrets could find themselves in court.

Claremont

From the information I have been given,, this is a new arrival of 12 more tonight.

I can only assume you are a Trump mole

As anyone with any integrity wouldn’t divulge this information if it is true

From the information I have been given,, this is a new arrival of 12 more tonight.

Claremont the F-22’s arrived at Lakenheath in April.

Google is your friend as opposed to catastrophe theorising.

Oreo

David49

Whitewavemark2

The news is just suggesting that Trump will be making a significant decision within the next few hours.

So the question is whether the USA gets involved in hostilities or puts pressure on Israel to pull back.

Or even I suppose try to resurrect the talks with Iran - I doubt that though.

Now Israel has started he won’t tell them to pull back -they wouldnt take notice if he did.
My bet is either an ultimatum to Iran or direct action to bomb the nuclear sites

David49 I would like Trump to give the order to have direct action, go in strong and bomb the underground nuclear sites.
It’s a chance now to break the regime or at the least put the mad mullahs back in their box.

This comment chills me to the bone. The possible consequences could be the worst the world has ever encountered.

In the meantime, reports that 12 F-22s have just landed at Lakenheath with at least 4 tankers at Mildenhall.