Trump has attacked Iran

He’ll drag half the world in with him. We will follow him because we are weak and depend on the US. No doubt the UK will follow him, too, for the same reason. Iran will not just sit there and do nothing.

Well Nixon was impeached but compared with Trump he was Lilly white . How can he still get away with it? He has been convicted before the election but nothing stopped him standing. Now once more he can bomb without discussion or warning. It is illegal and he doesn’t care. Why? because he can.

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No proof they have got all the uranium at all. Trump parading the stage makes me sick.

My Iranian woman artist friend was part of that time when they were out on the streets, headscarf less, men and women mixing feely, although she said it was different in rural areas. The regime will just get more hard line.

Trum and Netanyahu postering, Gaza forgotton

Oreo

petra

Claremont

Can you put your hand on your heart and state that you are not concerned about escalation- and the fact the UK has placed itself right in the middle of it all.

Not for one nano second.

In any case the UK hasn’t placed itself ‘in the middle of it all’ that’s really a non scenario.
I do wonder about some people as there seems to be a sense of enjoyment about doom mongering that’s really off .

I can categorically state that those of us that are worried about the escalation ( on top of all the awful things that have happened in the world over the past few years) are not ‘enjoying it’. Why on earth would you think that?

lafergar

*Iran is a terrible and dangerous country*

I am very ashamed to say I was affected by propaganda to think like this. How it had slipped into my consciousness, the endless pictures of men in black shouting and self flagellating.

Then my neighbours moved in.Guess what? They were just the same as us, slightly more hospitable, slightly more sociable, slightly more animated.

Your Iranian neighbours had the good sense to leave a ‘terrible and dangerous country’.
Nobody would say that ordinary people from Iran are anything other than pleasant people, assuming they weren’t radicals, which they wouldn’t be if they had managed to leave the country.

petra

Claremont

Can you put your hand on your heart and state that you are not concerned about escalation- and the fact the UK has placed itself right in the middle of it all.

Not for one nano second.

In any case the UK hasn’t placed itself ‘in the middle of it all’ that’s really a non scenario.
I do wonder about some people as there seems to be a sense of enjoyment about doom mongering that’s really off .

Allira

^Going back through recent history the west should never have started meddling with the Middle East; carving it up, trying to change their culture by stopping them from having a nomadic way of life etc etc.^

It's never constructive to meddle in the Middle East ' or other countries for thst matter.

It just causes resentment and more ongoing trouble.

One of the last scenes in Laurence of Arabia demonstrates that completely.
If the scene wasn’t so serious it could almost be a sketch produced by the Monty python team 😥

This was a unilateral decision.

Claremont

Can you put your hand on your heart and state that you are not concerned about escalation- and the fact the UK has placed itself right in the middle of it all.

Not for one nano second.

Going back through recent history the west should never have started meddling with the Middle East; carving it up, trying to change their culture by stopping them from having a nomadic way of life etc etc.

It's never constructive to meddle in the Middle East ' or other countries for thst matter.

It just causes resentment and more ongoing trouble.

Claremont

On BBC News just now 'this is Netanyahu's war, he has wanted to do this for decades'

You obviously missed the part where the reporter said that the majority of the people support his stance.
Or you just chose to ignore that fact.🤷‍♀️

Claremont

Allira

Of course you don't 🙂

I am aware that you can't or won't see this.
🤔

I think GrannyGravy knows of what she speaks.

What do you know about the expert knowledge of others?

I am currently reading Rory Stewart ^Politics on the Edge' - where he makes it clear that Blair and others at the time had absolutely NO idea about the realities of Iraq and Afghanistan, and just hated to be told by someone who had spent many years working there, on the ground, with the local people.

Alastair and Rory have had several heated discussions about Iraq and from memory I think they devoted a couple of TRIP’s to the issue. I’ll never forget Robin Cooks resignation speech; one of the greatest political speeches I have ever heard. I’m sure what veered Blair towards supporting the war was the despicable way that Saddam Hussein treated his own people, but the war didn’t exactly help them . Going back through recent history the west should never have started meddling with the Middle East; carving it up, trying to change their culture by stopping them from having a nomadic way of life etc etc.

Nope, can't see any goading, Claremont. Please keep posting.

Claremont

Allira

Of course you don't 🙂

I am aware that you can't or won't see this.
🤔

I think GrannyGravy knows of what she speaks.

What do you know about the expert knowledge of others?

I am currently reading Rory Stewart ^Politics on the Edge' - where he makes it clear that Blair and others at the time had absolutely NO idea about the realities of Iraq and Afghanistan, and just hated to be told by someone who had spent many years working there, on the ground, with the local people.

Are you an expert on Iraq GG? Or on what you have heard. The two are defferent.

Burning an important symbol like a flag or religious book is disrespectful.
Burning a child is murder.
They don't command an equal amount of condemnation.

What I said too!

Politicians = donkeys

Allira

Of course you don't 🙂

I am aware that you can't or won't see this.
🤔

I think GrannyGravy knows of what she speaks.

What do you know about the expert knowledge of others?

I am currently reading Rory Stewart ^Politics on the Edge' - where he makes it clear that Blair and others at the time had absolutely NO idea about the realities of Iraq and Afghanistan, and just hated to be told by someone who had spent many years working there, on the ground, with the local people.

Claremont

Allira

I don't think catastrophising and goading is at all helpful, Claremont, at such a worrying time.

Goading? Isn't this exactly what Trump and Netanyahu are doing, in a catastrophic and massive way. No wonder we are all so worried.

I don't think that you are catastrophising and goading, and thank you for taking the time and trouble to post.

The US has also controlled our UK export market for a very long time here because of Iran even for quite simple manufactured things here. There is a specific trading regulation, I expect someone might know what it is. I’m too affected by the humidity for my brain to work properly

I'm glad they're safe here.

They got out when they could. That doesn't make Iran a terrible and dangerous country.

lafergar

*Iran is a terrible and dangerous country*

I am very ashamed to say I was affected by propaganda to think like this. How it had slipped into my consciousness, the endless pictures of men in black shouting and self flagellating.

Then my neighbours moved in.Guess what? They were just the same as us, slightly more hospitable, slightly more sociable, slightly more animated.

Yes, but they had left Iran.
Why?

There but for the grace of God .... I might be living there.

Iran is a terrible and dangerous country

I am very ashamed to say I was affected by propaganda to think like this. How it had slipped into my consciousness, the endless pictures of men in black shouting and self flagellating.

Then my neighbours moved in.Guess what? They were just the same as us, slightly more hospitable, slightly more sociable, slightly more animated.

Would it really bother you if the Palestinian flag was burnt.

That, because I thought burning the Star of David was shocking, on another thread.
That is a goady post.

Of course I would, burning national flags is a disgrace.

I honestly believe he is trying to start WW3. Then he can step in and play the big 'I am, look how clever I am at controlling things'. The man is a psychopath with no interest in anything but his own ego. I hope US wake up soon and see what he is doing to their country.