Trump has attacked Iran

Of course you don't 🙂

I am aware that you can't or won't see this.
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I think GrannyGravy knows of what she speaks.

Allira

I don't think catastrophising and goading is at all helpful, Claremont, at such a worrying time.

Goading? Isn't this exactly what Trump and Netanyahu are doing, in a catastrophic and massive way. No wonder we are all so worried.

Smileless2012

I don't agree that Claremont is catastrophising or goading; I agree with her post.

Agree

I also agree with Claremont’s post.

I don't agree that Claremont is catastrophising or goading; I agree with her post.

I don't think catastrophising and goading is at all helpful, Claremont, at such a worrying time.

GrannyGravy13

I have more knowledge on the Iraq situation in my little finger than many on GN.

If it makes you feel better to be on the side of a rogue terrorist state than the USA or the UK…

Well, some would say that those committing and supporting a genocide are the terrorists. That those who bomb and attack pre-emptivally, are the terrorists. I am aware that you can't or won't see this.

AGAA4

An Iranian man has said he wants to wake up to a new Iran. One that will use security cameras for real dangers and not just the hijab.
We mustn't forget there are ordinary people involved in this war.

There so are.

Iran, in the 70s and was it 80s, appeared to have many people who were peaceful at heart.
It may well still be the case.

I have become more cyncical in order age, and think some people are out to deliberately harm the UK, while appearing to be acting in it's best interests.
I no longer believe that all people are acting from pure ignorance only, GG13.

An Iranian man has said he wants to wake up to a new Iran. One that will use security cameras for real dangers and not just the hijab.
We mustn't forget there are ordinary people involved in this war.

Fortunately the U.K. has the North Sea.

Milliband’s decision to stop drilling licences and import oil and gas will be regarded as a disaster for U.K. energy security.

I sincerely hope that this has been the right decision for everyone's sake.
Iran is a terrible and dangerous country and I think there are other sites where they may have nuclear weapons.
Iran says it has moved the uranium from Fordo. This is bad news if it has as Iran are seeking revenge.

On top of the Russian/Ukraine conflict, and Trumps policy on tariffs, as well as the loss of the EU market due to Brexit, it could have a vastly negative effect on our ailing economy.

'This has stoked speculation that Iran’s leadership may reach for another way to pressure its enemies to relent – blocking or effectively closing the Strait of Hormuz to shipping.

This narrow waterway at the mouth of the Persian Gulf handles around a quarter of the world’s oil trade.

So if Iran were able to deny access to the giant tankers that ferry oil and gas to China, Europe and other major energy consuming regions, it would send oil prices shooting higher and potentially destabilise the global economy.

Iran has targeted merchant ships traversing the choke point in the past, and has even threatened to block the strait.

The UK issued a rare warning to mariners days before Israel began bombarding Iran, saying increased tensions in the region could impact shipping, while Frontline, one of the world’s largest oil-tanker operators, said it would be more cautious about offering its vessels to haul cargoes from the Persian Gulf. '

Iran is planning to close the Straights of Hormuz, which will cause massive economic damage to the West and the UK, as the majority of oil trades go via that route.

Nice to see 2 or 3 new[or newer] contributors on this type of thread.
Whether I agree with them or not.

Claremont

So because those poor women are forced to wear the Burqa and have their rights and choices very limited, we should help them by bombing them? Stop mixing everything to justify this illegal and pre-emptive attack.

If I was visiting any Islamic country I would respect their culture, my wife would cover her legs and wear a headscarf, I don’t have any on my current bucket list but in .
the past I have visited several.
You certainly see more burquas in UK cities than in most Islamic countries

I have more knowledge on the Iraq situation in my little finger than many on GN.

If it makes you feel better to be on the side of a rogue terrorist state than the USA or the UK…

And you call me 'naïve' incredibly.

It worked so well in Iraq!

Claremont

Can you put your hand on your heart and state that you are not concerned about escalation- and the fact the UK has placed itself right in the middle of it all.

Irans state sponsored terrorists have been deployed in this country, killing people.

I have no sympathy for extremist regimes, only their downtrodden citizens, the whipped and stoned women, the gay men hanged or thrown off of buildings.

A humane Iranian government would be a win win situation.

Posters have asked for evidence. This is from the latest International Atomic Energy Agency Report dated 31 May:

‘Iran can convert its current stock of 60 percent enriched uranium into 233 kg of WGU in three weeks at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP), enough for 9 nuclear weapons, taken as 25 kg of weapon-grade uranium (WGU) per weapon.

Iran could produce its first quantity of 25 kg of WGU in Fordow in as little as two to three days.

Breaking out in both Fordow and the Natanz Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP), the two facilities together could produce enough WGU for 11 nuclear weapons in the first month, enough for 15 nuclear weapons by the end of the second month, 19 by the end of the third month, 21 by the end of the fourth month, and 22 by the end of the fifth month.

In front of the inspectors’ eyes, Iran is undertaking the near-final step of breaking out, now converting its 20 percent stock of enriched uranium into 60 percent enriched uranium at a greatly expanded rate, although this rate cannot be sustained much longer.

Iran has no civilian use or justification for its production of 60 percent enriched uranium…..’

The unanswered question is ‘does Iran already have a nuclear weapon’? I suspect that on ground intelligence (remember Mossad is the most effective intelligence-gathering organization in the World) suggests it does not.

I don't trust Trump but he seems to be hero of the day.
I hope this attack doesn't turn sour for the rest of us.

Bea65

dogsmother

Hm there may well be consequences for u as all.

Wonder what Sir Keir Starmer is thinking 🤨

He'll follow Trump, send our boys to war and when this country falls into civil war, the young fit men that the govt is bringing in, will don the blue helmets of the UN and we'll be lost ...

Can you put your hand on your heart and state that you are not concerned about escalation- and the fact the UK has placed itself right in the middle of it all.

We let Israel do this totally illegally. Many other dangerous states have nuclear arms. Russia took all the ones that were on Why sUkraine soil, in exchange for a promise not to attack.

As said before, nuclear proliferationw as always the massive worry, and this illustrates it very well. Who are the good guys who should be allowed to have nuclear arms. Who decides that and on what basis? The good guys often become the bad ones, and vice versa.

Why should it be tolerated that Israel develops its own nuclear weapons, illegally and with the support of the USA, and to some extent, the UK.